Some cool mosins I got recently

[Jimja]

So your info is better than Laszlo's . I corrected my estimates and added the 686 before you quoted and gave him credit for the info you posted. To think they made more 91/30 than M44 style doesn't even make sense. Since by that point in the 1950s almost all militaries had switched to shorter rifles.

His information is at best incomplete (the GL1K doesn't exist on his page), and some of his numbers are wrong. I can tell you one obvious mistake he made is presenting the production numbers for a certain year as a total for the model.

Maybe you can pop over to my Urguayan Mauser post, thread crap there as well, and tell me how they aren't that rare.

I corrected inaccurate historical production/model information, in no way is that a personal attack on anybody. But thanks for reminding me why so many collectors I know no longer post on forums, and why I shouldn't either.

[capt14k]

His information is at best incomplete (the GL1K doesn't exist on his page), and some of his numbers are wrong. I can tell you one obvious mistake he made is presenting the production numbers for a certain year as a total for the model.







I corrected inaccurate historical production/model information, in no way is that a personal attack on anybody. But thanks for reminding me why so many collectors I know no longer post on forums, and why I shouldn't either.

When you come on someone's post and say they aren't that rare or valuable, and then post non comparable rifle sales, that is not correcting inaccurate information.

Back to historical numbers. Hungary was only allowed a military of 65,000 under Stalin, but in reality I believe it was 41,500 in 1950. Most 91/30 dates I have seen are 1950-53. I have heard of 1954 dates but have not personally seen any. It wasn't til after the death of Stalin in 1953 that the military increased in size to 210,000. Which would line up with 160,000 carbines being needed and made in 1953-54. They did still have arms from the war and before. Who would they have made all these 91/30 for if they made more than the carbines as you stated, and why would Russia allow them to have all these extra arms if they were limiting the size of their military? Most importantly where did they all go? While found in other countries they certainly are not common there.

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[Jimja]

When you come on someone's post and say they aren't that rare or valuable, and then post non comparable rifle sales, that is not correcting inaccurate information.

Back to historical numbers. Hungary was only allowed a military of 65,000 under Stalin, but in reality I believe it was 41,500 in 1950. Most 91/30 dates I have seen are 1950-53. I have heard of 1954 dates but have not personally seen any. It wasn't til after the death of Stalin in 1953 that the military increased in size to 210,000. Which would line up with 160,000 carbines being needed and made in 1953-54. They did still have arms from the war and before. Who would they have made all these 91/30 for if they made more than the carbines as you stated, and why would Russia allow them to have all these extra arms if they were limiting the size of their military? Most importantly where did they all go? While found in other countries they certainly are not common there.

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This is the last time I'm going to reply here. I wasn't talking to you or the op in my first reply, I simply answered a question someone asked and said that I have personally seen a few sell in the last couple of months, and the prices that I've seen them sell for. Two were on gunbroker (I linked to them), but another three were not. A friend of mine bought one for $600.

In my opinion, they are uncommon or rare-ish, I can think of a few more that sold last year, several collectors I know have them. You claim they are "pretty damn rare", I disagree, but hey, everyone has an opinion which is subjective

Now, about the site you quote

http://www.hungariae.com/Mosi48.htm

The site is missing the GL1K - Carbine version
Production numbers for the sniper are wrong
Production numbers for the GL1 are very wrong, the 50,686 made that he claims and you keep citing is wrong, because that is only the production for one year, 1950. The next year, 1951, they made well over 100,000, production continued for two more years

This particular information is not my opinion, but are facts, based on Hungarian government data. Do some research and you can find it yourself instead of relying on an old website that doesn't cite or show any sources

As to your Stalin/Hungary comment, I'm not even going to go there

[yuccales]

Sorry I took so long to reply. The Moberg is a single shot .20ga 185. I do know a .410 will fit in the Mosin mag. I never got around to doing a .410 Moberg, maybe some day. Here is something I posted years ago about the "build". I had a 185 Mossberg, no stock; had an M-44 stock, no hand guard, cracked - it just had to happen. the Mossberg darn near dropped into the stock with very little Dremmel work. Turned down the head of the screw that holds the Mossberg together, so it fit perfect into the front hole of the Mosin mag. Then tig welded a 'new' rear tang on the back of the Mossberg receiver so I could use the rear Mosin screw into the now "fake" mag. The Mossberg does rest up against the Mosin crossbolt in the stock. The barrel bands were not modified at all. Of course I removed the old box mag. guide from the Mossberg. This thing is hilarious. It is my dedicated "Easter gun" that shoots Peeps once a year. OP, hope you don't mind the slight hijack!

[capt14k]

This is the last time I'm going to reply here. I wasn't talking to you or the op in my first reply, I simply answered a question someone asked and said that I have personally seen a few sell in the last couple of months, and the prices that I've seen them sell for. Two were on gunbroker (I linked to them), but another three were not. A friend of mine bought one for $600.



In my opinion, they are uncommon or rare-ish, I can think of a few more that sold last year, several collectors I know have them. You claim they are "pretty damn rare", I disagree, but hey, everyone has an opinion which is subjective



Now, about the site you quote

http://www.hungariae.com/Mosi48.htm

The site is missing the GL1K - Carbine version

Production numbers for the sniper are wrong

Production numbers for the GL1 are very wrong, the 50,686 made that he claims and you keep citing is wrong, because that is only the production for one year, 1950. The next year, 1951, they made well over 100,000, production continued for two more years



This particular information is not my opinion, but are facts, based on Hungarian government data. Do some research and you can find it yourself instead of relying on an old website that doesn't cite or show any sources



As to your Stalin/Hungary comment, I'm not even going to go there

Show me your proven facts please, and who were all these rifles being made for? While I wait for your documentation I emailed Laszlo and asked him for his. I also will check Drei Lienen and see what KH has on it.


Edit You are both incorrect according to KH.

Production figures of about 150,000 total for Hungarian M48 -

~20,000 in 1950
~60,000 in 1951
~40,000 in 1952
~30,000 in 1953

Seems my observation of being made 1950-53 is correct.

There were about as many Hungarian 91/30 made as all Finnish M30 and M39 made. However there were multiple large imports of the Finnish rifles, there have been exactly 0 large imports of Hungarian 91/30 style rifles. Also when Russia invaded Hungary in 1956 they took a lot of weapons with them. On top of that some Arab nation must have ended up with a good number of them since most in Canada show Arab use. So I would still call all matching pristine examples pretty rare with 1950 being the rarest at only approx 20,000 made.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

These are not as rare or expensive as people think, I know of five or so that sold in the last couple of months (not including those mentioned in the post above), four of those sold in the $600-$800 range, the most expensive was $1550.

Two were on gunbroker, $800 and $1550

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/896182389

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899666095

That second one is stunning. I might have chased that one if I saw it.