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  • olhunter
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2008
    • 3707

    Russian SKS Tula Serial Number Question

    Found a 1951 Tula SKS with all matching serial numbers of "HK1".

    What gives? Google was no help...(to me at least).
    Last edited by olhunter; 05-01-2009, 11:48 AM.
    It cannot be inherited, nor can it ever be purchased.
    You and no one alive can buy it for any price. It is impossible to rent and cannot be lent.
    You alone and our own have earned it with...Your sweat, blood and lives. You own it forever.

    The title is....."United States Marine".


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    Spiggy
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2006
    • 8688

    what's there to know?

    I have one that's a bunch of moonspeak and then 000
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    • #3
      FS00008
      Senior Member
      • May 2008
      • 1975

      Photo.
      And what do you mean "Moonspeak"?

      Maybe I can help you both as I speak/read Russian...
      "No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as
      legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer."

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      • #4
        olhunter
        CGN Contributor
        • Dec 2008
        • 3707

        Originally posted by FS00008
        Photo.
        And what do you mean "Moonspeak"?

        Maybe I can help you both as I speak/read Russian...
        I read that the letters signify the year and the number is a sequence. I was just wondering if this rifle could/would be the first one from that year.

        Here's a bunch of photos.

        It cannot be inherited, nor can it ever be purchased.
        You and no one alive can buy it for any price. It is impossible to rent and cannot be lent.
        You alone and our own have earned it with...Your sweat, blood and lives. You own it forever.

        The title is....."United States Marine".


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        • #5
          FS00008
          Senior Member
          • May 2008
          • 1975

          The year is 1951 or 1951 Года (Goda).

          НК1 means NK1 when Anglicized and that's really strange... I thought that there might have been some words on it. I would assume that НК1 is a very early model but I don't know for sure...

          Something you could try would be to contact Tula Arsenal (http://www.tulatoz.ru/en) directly and ask about that particular SKS. I had luck with one my SVT-40 when I contacted them with some questions strangely enough.
          "No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as
          legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer."

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          • #6
            Gunaria
            Banned
            • Jan 2007
            • 3894

            HK1 = #1 Hunter Killer

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              5thstreet@sbcglobal.net
              Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 470

              too bad it was no sales to CA

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              • #9
                SVT-40
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2008
                • 12894

                It's just the first rifle in the series. HK 1 HK 2 hk 3 ect. When they got to the end of the series they started over with something similar to : HL 1 ect.

                The rifle in that auction was a arsenal refinish rifle. Which had a renumbered stock. Probably not really a good deal at that price.
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                • #10
                  JDay
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19393

                  Originally posted by SVT-40
                  It's just the first rifle in the series. HK 1 HK 2 hk 3 ect. When they got to the end of the series they started over with something similar to : HL 1 ect.

                  The rifle in that auction was a arsenal refinish rifle. Which had a renumbered stock. Probably not really a good deal at that price.
                  Yeah, I see a lot of refurbished Russian SKS's on there that claim to be "all matching". Only reason they're all matching is because the parts were stamped again.
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                  • #11
                    olhunter
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 3707

                    Originally posted by JDay
                    Yeah, I see a lot of refurbished Russian SKS's on there that claim to be "all matching". Only reason they're all matching is because the parts were stamped again.
                    Wouldn't the old/original stampings still be visible? Or were these all replaced parts?
                    It cannot be inherited, nor can it ever be purchased.
                    You and no one alive can buy it for any price. It is impossible to rent and cannot be lent.
                    You alone and our own have earned it with...Your sweat, blood and lives. You own it forever.

                    The title is....."United States Marine".


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                    • #12
                      JDay
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19393

                      Originally posted by olhunter
                      Wouldn't the old/original stampings still be visible? Or were these all replaced parts?
                      The old serials will have a bunch of "XXXXX" over them and the new number is usually stamped under it. Some parts will still have the original serial on them and just have the refurb mark stamped nearby "Square with a / through it". Parts that have had the serial changed usually have a refurb mark on them too.

                      ETA: More info here. http://www.yooperj.com/SKS.htm
                      Last edited by JDay; 05-03-2009, 5:24 PM.
                      Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                      The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                      • #13
                        SVT-40
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 12894

                        Sometimes the old S/N's will be ground off, and new numbers, either stamped or EP'd in their place.

                        The big clue to a refurb Soviet SKS is the finish. This is what Non refurbs looks like.




                        If it's not blued with a deep blue, and it doesn't have a bright bolt carrier and bayonet it's a refurb.







                        This one is unfired!!!

                        If it got a blue bayonet or bolt carrier it's a refurb. If it has a "krinkle" finish it's a refurb.

                        ECT.
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                        Originally posted by fiddletown
                        What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                        • #14
                          Gator Monroe
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 6422

                          Do you have any knowledge if only 49 and 50 had spring loaded FP from factory and did early 51's sometime come with them also and why do Russian Guys think Black bolt variants are more desirable than chrome ?

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                          • #15
                            bplvr
                            Senior Member
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 3946

                            The one the OP posted about is a re-firb {see the square with a slash on the bolt cover} The stock is forced matched and the rest of the #'s look original matching. The metal has been re-done in Russian hotdip "blue".
                            As a collectable - almost zip ,as a shooter for $350.00 not bad with a good bore. Hope that helps.
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