C&R FFL Application Form ATF 7CR - use the official BATFE PDF form!

[Librarian]

I don't know to whom to address the arguments, but the support for the idea of a data-entry .PDF is

• the IRS now uses them extensively - this is neither new technology, new to government, nor untested in large volume
• use of such a .PDF would substantially reduce BATFE printing costs, though not eliminate them
• use of such a .PDF would produce readable information, making data entry on receipt much more reliable
• and, since the applicants would secure the .PDF files on their own schedule, the delay in supplying the forms would become less significant.

All of this presumes, of course, that 'efficiency' is a goal of the agency.

[Sean Vax]

Update on my application:
Received a large tyvek envelope from BATFE with a cover letter and one green application form. The letter stated that my original application will not be processed because it wasn't on the approved form. I am to complete attached green form and mail it to a particular person in a licensing center in WV. The form already had my file # filled in.

After reading all the posts in this thread and gathering all of the information I have come to the following conclusions:
1. The PDF app is not accepted because it is not an approved form.
2. Sending in the PDF app will lead to a person receiving the green approved form in a short period of time.

[joefrank64k]

I'm going to find the number for the office nearest to my location, (most likely Glendale) and see if they will do the same thing. Do you know where I can locate this information on their website?

For the United States...

http://www.atf.gov/field/index.htm

For Los Angeles...

http://www.atf.gov/field/losangeles/ca.htm

[ke6guj]

After reading all the posts in this thread and gathering all of the information I have come to following conclusions:
1. The PDF app is not accepted because it is not an approved for but,
2. Sending in the PDF app will lead to a person receiving the green approved form in a short period of time.

ha ha, thats one way to look at it. Send in the PDF and they'll either accept it or send you a copy right away. None of that waiting for months to get a copy via the website

[Sean Vax]

Here's another option that worked for me...

About a month ago, I ended up calling my local ATF office (in my case Glendale) and asked if they had any CR FFL apps that I could pick up in person.

The SA on the phone said that he would save me the trouble and mail one out. I said that he didn't need to bother; I could just order it through the web site, but he said it would be no problem because it usually takes a long time before you get your forms from the web (as others have found out).

I got the app in the mail in about a week. I mailed it out within a day or two and they have already charged my CC. I'll update when I get my FFL in hand.

YMMV of course...

Here's an update for everyone on my experience trying to do this.

Called the Glendale office at 10:00AM was transferred to an answering machine where I asked if they might by chance have an C&R FFL apps just lying around that they might be able to kindly send my way. At the end of the message I left my name and phone number. At 12:35PM my phone rang and the caller ID says U.S. Government. Also something that I just remembered and wanted to make a note of, the number came from a 714 area code and Glendale has an 818 area code.Anyways, I answered the phone and here's how the conversation went:

ATF: Hi, is this Sean
Me: Yes sir
ATF: Hello, this is the ATF
Me: Holy crap you guys actually called me back
ATF: Of course, what's your address
'Gave the agent my address'
ATF: The papers are on their way
Me: Thanks alot



I'll post if I actually receive the papers in a few days and than maybe it will be easier for us to just call the local offices.

[joefrank64k]

Got It!

Here's another option that worked for me...

About a month ago, I ended up calling my local ATF office (in my case Glendale) and asked if they had any CR FFL apps that I could pick up in person.

The SA on the phone said that he would save me the trouble and mail one out. I said that he didn't need to bother; I could just order it through the web site, but he said it would be no problem because it usually takes a long time before you get your forms from the web (as others have found out).

I got the app in the mail in about a week. I mailed it out within a day or two and they have already charged my CC. I'll update when I get my FFL in hand.

YMMV of course...

Great day today...I got my 03 C&R FFL!

All told, it took less than a month from start to finish, 2 weeks from when they charged my CC...now to make copies and fax them to all the milsurp dealers I can find!!!

Good luck to everyone else!!!

[Sean Vax]

Here's an update for everyone on my experience trying to do this.

Called the Glendale office at 10:00AM was transferred to an answering machine where I asked if they might by chance have an C&R FFL apps just lying around that they might be able to kindly send my way. At the end of the message I left my name and phone number. At 12:35PM my phone rang and the caller ID says U.S. Government. Also something that I just remembered and wanted to make a note of, the number came from a 714 area code and Glendale has an 818 area code.Anyways, I answered the phone and here's how the conversation went:

ATF: Hi, is this Sean
Me: Yes sir
ATF: Hello, this is the ATF
Me: Holy crap you guys actually called me back
ATF: Of course, what's your address
'Gave the agent my address'
ATF: The papers are on their way
Me: Thanks alot



I'll post if I actually receive the papers in a few days and than maybe it will be easier for us to just call the local offices.

Update

I just checked my mailbox and what to my wondering eyes do I see. A big white package with my official green forms and my brown Firearms Curios and Relics List book. It took the Glendale ATF field office 2 days to send me my forms. I suggest anybody that is interested call their local office and ask if they might have any forms just lying around.

[joefrank64k]

Glad to hear it worked for you, too Sean Vax!!!

[beetle]

well, I got my "you didn't use the approved form" letter today. I sent my PDF form in about 2 weeks ago, charge hit a week ago. Good news is at least I have a green form to send in now.

My original request for forms in now at 2+ months.

So one way to look at this is to send in the PDF in order to get the green form much quicker.

[bongfoo]

well, my card was charged on may 20th still haven't heard anything from the ATF. no phone call, no letter, no liscense and no green forms either...

[mievil]

Well, despite my handwritten letter sent in with the green forms, there is now a second charge from the ATF on my credit card statement. Sigh.

[Amacias805]

Ok... requested C&R forms begging of April...

sent in PDF version on the 3rd of june....

Was Charged on the 8th of june

Received the green forms today from the original order...

still haven't got denied or approved

[obeygiant]

well, my card was charged on may 20th still haven't heard anything from the ATF. no phone call, no letter, no liscense and no green forms either...

Same as the post above but my card was charged on the 27th. Still waiting.

[bongfoo]

well, as i've posted before... i've been charged and i'm waiting. i received my green forms in the mail today. don't wanna send it in for fear of being charged again like mievil had done to him.

has anyone that has been charged and waiting tried to contact the BATF?

[Amacias805]

well, as i've posted before... i've been charged and i'm waiting. i received my green forms in the mail today. don't wanna send it in for fear of being charged again like mievil had done to him.

has anyone that has been charged and waiting tried to contact the BATF?

no but i was considering, but since i was just charged on the 8th, i figure i give the atf another week to process (it is the government)... but if anyone else decides to call, please post..