Update on registering C&R, SBR's

[M1NM]

I would do this
Only thing needs to be done is to submit a completed Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report to CA DOJ BOF.
Then when they finally get back to you say it's already been reported and accepted. Isn't there a time frame when it must be registered by? Don't miss that date or you'll lose on a technicality.

[Tyke8319]

I would do this
Only thing needs to be done is to submit a completed Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report to CA DOJ BOF.
Then when they finally get back to you say it's already been reported and accepted. Isn't there a time frame when it must be registered by? Don't miss that date or you'll lose on a technicality.

If you'll notice the original question I posed it was as the result of running over the 30 day time limit (in my case, 6 months) which was the result of, (1) getting it certified by AFT as a C or R and (2) once acknowledged by ATF then applying for an 03 in order to register it.

My involvement with the DOJ rep was the result of my asking the question as to whether or not DOJ would take into consideration the time delay due to jumping through various procedural loops.

And to acknowledge "Pitfighter's" input, ATF readily acknowledges that not all certified CorR's are listed. The list is not regularly maintained, only when ATF feels the need to update it. So in my case, my "Trapper", though now certified, is not listed. Maybe someday...

[pitfighter]

And to acknowledge "Pitfighter's" input, ATF readily acknowledges that not all certified CorR's are listed. The list is not regularly maintained, only when ATF feels the need to update it. So in my case, my "Trapper", though now certified, is not listed. Maybe someday...

It sounds like you're going about things the right way.

The non-NFA SBR C+R Trappers with listed serial numbers change hands for quite a premium. There does seem to be a letter you can get to exempt your rifle, even if it is not on the C+R list, and may never be on the list - learn something everyday.

Thanks for posting.

This Marlin seems to be similar - see the explanation - https://www.gunbroker.com/item/770094124

And another https://www.gunbroker.com/item/769513404

And one in California - https://www.gunbroker.com/item/770449717

Thank you

[AR22]

This may not help at all. But a guy I know, has a Mares Leg out there. Short Barrel and Stock. He is only legal to own it. Because he had it built on a bare Frame that was never a Rifle. So just like ARs, it can be legally built and possessed there as a short barrel, since it was never built as a Rifle initially.

May not help much, but it does tell you can own a short barrel lever action out there atleast.

[morrcarr67]

The Mares Leg is considered a pistol, not a rifle. That is a Federal designation.

Anyone in California can own them and there are dealers transferring them even right now.

Put a dowel in the magazine and it becomes a lever actuated single shot bolt action pistol and is roster exempt.

This may not help at all. But a guy I know, has a Mares Leg out there. Short Barrel and Stock. He is only legal to own it. Because he had it built on a bare Frame that was never a Rifle. So just like ARs, it can be legally built and possessed there as a short barrel, since it was never built as a Rifle initially.

May not help much, but it does tell you can own a short barrel lever action out there atleast.

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[Tyke8319]

It sounds like you're going about things the right way.

The non-NFA SBR C+R Trappers with listed serial numbers change hands for quite a premium. There does seem to be a letter you can get to exempt your rifle, even if it is not on the C+R list, and may never be on the list - learn something everyday.

Thanks for posting.

This Marlin seems to be similar - see the explanation - https://www.gunbroker.com/item/770094124

And another https://www.gunbroker.com/item/769513404

And one in California - https://www.gunbroker.com/item/770449717

Thank you

Just for clarity, in case I didn't mention, I did send it to West Virginia to the BATF&E Technology Division and DID receive a letter acknowledging it as exempt from the NFA, SBR category and declaring it as a Curio & Relic. Maybe it will make the kist someday.

[pitfighter]

Just for clarity, in case I didn't mention, I did send it to West Virginia to the BATF&E Technology Division and DID receive a letter acknowledging it as exempt from the NFA, SBR category and declaring it as a Curio & Relic. Maybe it will make the kist someday.

Excellent - I have no more info.for you.
Thanks for posting the thread, it has been good looking into this subject.

I love the old non-NFA Trappers - and have looked for one for some time.
When I first received my C+R 15 or so years ago and read through the list, it was one that popped as being of interest.

I think the one in Last Samurai is 16" - http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Last_Samurai,_The

Now I have as much interest in the short barreled Flintlock cavalry/Dragoon carbines, with the saddle ring, basically a very short rifle that could be fired one handed while riding amongst enemy.

http://www.militaryheritage.com/carbine1.htm

They are an interesting side-line -

Good luck with DOJ.

[Tyke8319]

The latest from DOJ re. registering a Winchester 1894, 30/30 "Trapper", SBR made in 1923:
DOJ is rather loosely holding onto the theory that even though ATF has ruled it a C&R it still constitutes a SBR which CA does not recognize as legally possessable, if that's a word.
I was advised to go ahead and submit the BOF 961 form and associated paperwork and see if it flies, which I have done........
Now the waiting game.

[Tyke8319]

Update on registering C&R, SBR's

As some may recall, a while back we had some extensive discussion regarding the registration in CA of certain SBR's, more specifically, antique Winchester, lever action, "Trappers".

Some felt that even though they were manufacturedSBR's (15" & 14" barrels) that they were, in fact, not legal in the state of CA even if they carried an ATF clearance as Curio & Relics.

Since I possess one with a ATF clearance I decided to attempt registration by way of BOF Form 961 (Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report) which I submitted 12/2017. Yesterday I received a Report of Firearm Ownership Approval from DOJ indicating my SBR had been successfully register as a SBR.

So, there apparently is, though lengthy and time consuming, a process that allows those who acquire C&R, SBR's (in state) to get them registered and therefore, legal to possess.
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[onelonehorseman]

Well done.

Glad to see CADOJ was reasonable and decided to approve it, rather than sending someone to confiscate it.

Congrats.

[shootsocal_dave]

I know you can do BOF 941 as a collector, but how would you do it in the DES system as a dealer lol, that was the mind teaser. The DOJ last told me to run it as a C&R pistol in email correspondence.

[shootsocal_dave]

Well done.

Glad to see CA DOJ was reasonable and decided to approve it, rather than sending someone to confiscate it.

Congrats.

its 100% legal and very clear that the c&r guns are covered. The conversation quickly get away from IF and turned to HOW. Registering them is a predicament because you cannot run a sub 16" through DES, it wont accept the barrel length.