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[colt11]

If you were to spend about $400 or less on something like a Thompson or Ruger American, and top it with a cheap $300 scope, you would have a decent fairly lightweight hunting rig. If you tried to do the same thing with a C&R, it would probably be heavier, and the scope mount might not hold zero as well, but would otherwise work perfectly.

[SlowDrifter]

Non lead ammo might run poorly.

The Hague convention of 1899 pretty much did away with all-lead/deforming/expanding ammo in military rifles and handguns. Anything (military, at least) manufactured after that convention is designed to run on FMJ or Ball ammo.

edited to add: Any martial rifle or pistol manufactured and applied by a member country of the 1899 Hague convention is designed to eat FMJ/Ball ammo.

[rp55]

Back in the day one of the biggest distributors of firearms in America was Sears Roebucks. Most of them were sold (by mail no less) under the "J.C. Higgins" brand name but all of them were OEM'd by companies like Winchester, Sako, Mauser et al. Many of them were the same models with different roll marks. Later on they used the "Ted Williams" label. My first shotgun was a .410 single shot Ted Williams. I always keep my eyes open for old J. C. Higgins and Ted Williams guns. Here's a chart that shows how the model numbers corresponded. Most of them are C&R and outstanding for hunting.

GunData.com

[morrcarr67]

unfortunately, this one is already sold. This seller tends to be on the expensive side.
http://archives.collectorsfirearms.c...&product=W7251

Yeah, that's pretty high for that gun. I've seen them as low as $1200 and as high as $1800.

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[morrcarr67]

Back in the day one of the biggest distributors of firearms in America was Sears Roebucks. Most of them were sold (by mail no less) under the "J.C. Higgins" brand name but all of them were OEM'd by companies like Winchester, Sako, Mauser et al. Many of them were the same models with different roll marks. Later on they used the "Ted Williams" label. My first shotgun was a .410 single shot Ted Williams. I always keep my eyes open for old J. C. Higgins and Ted Williams guns. Here's a chart that shows how the model numbers corresponded. Most of them are C&R and outstanding for hunting.

GunData.com

That's a pretty cool site.

Thanks for sharing.

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[23 Blast]

I am on the opposite side. I think Modern Manufacturing technology sucks,LOL Everything they seem to do today, is what is easiest and cheapest for the makers to do. Not what is best for the buyer. Plastic is one thing that comes to mind, Just mass produced garbage to me. No fine details, nothing done by hand anymore. No individual character at all.

Well, guns like the Savage Axis, Ruger American, Remington 783, T/C Compass, et al - might not evoke that same pride of ownership nor inspire admiration for its beauty the way say - a pre-64 Winchester 70 might, but in terms of putting a bullet consistently where the sights are lined up, the modern guns of today are manufactured to far better tolerances than guns of 50+ years ago.

Totally agree that plastic stocks and matte finishes are ugly as heck, and polished blue steel and finely finished wood is definitely my preference, but strictly as bullet-launching tools, the aforementioned plastic stocked guns are as good or better than ever.

[Zak]

Damn it. You beat me to it.

OP, go and do a little research on the Pre-64 Winchester Model 70. You'll find all the info you need to come to the conclusion that C&R's make great hunting guns.

You'll also find out what some of the people on this board seem to forget; C&R doesn't just mean MilSurp.

Also, if you happen to find a Pre-64 Winchester Model 70 in .264 Win Mag while doing your research let me know where it's at and walk away from it. It's the only C&R not worth anything and I'll quickly dispose of it for whom ever has it.

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I researched the pre-64 Model 70 and it really is a piece of art. Now I want one really bad, thanks

[morrcarr67]

I researched the pre-64 Model 70 and it really is a piece of art. Now I want one really bad, thanks

You're welcome.

I love helping people spend their money.

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[God Bless America]

Not mine:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1468250

[sakosf]

I researched the pre-64 Model 70 and it really is a piece of art. Now I want one really bad, thanks

Here is a .264 mag "Westerner" Pre 64 Winchester Mod 70 (this model has a stainless steel barrel) This one is already sold. Nice quality pictures to view though.

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/14892887

[echo1]

The Hague convention of 1899 pretty much did away with all-lead/deforming/expanding ammo in military rifles and handguns. Anything (military, at least) manufactured after that convention is designed to run on FMJ or Ball ammo.

edited to add: Any martial rifle or pistol manufactured and applied by a member country of the 1899 Hague convention is designed to eat FMJ/Ball ammo.

I think he means about the lead ban in Kali. Only monolithic construction projectiles. No jacketed lead, no lead shot for hunting. PAX

[xxINKxx]

My grandpa used to hunt with an M1 Garand. They also make limited capacity en bloc clips for hunting restrictions.

[giarcpnw]

My grandpa used to hunt with an M1 Garand. They also make limited capacity en bloc clips for hunting restrictions.

THAT is a heavy hunting rifle. But men were MEN in the 50's.
Now we wear special wicking underwear and hunt with illuminated reticles.

[Dan_Eastvale]

My grandpa used to hunt with an M1 Garand. They also make limited capacity en bloc clips for hunting restrictions.

And probably regular plinking (without ear protection I suspect) as well since that surplus ammo was so affordable then.

[Full Clip]

My primary hunting rifle is a C&R: A sportered Model of 1917. 30-06 gets it done.