Is it legal to have /make Black podwer

[furyous68]

I'm located in slo county. A gun shop told me I could only buy the pirodex. So can you make it ?

Check with the Hogue Shop in Paso Robles. I haven't specifically asked for BP, but they carry everything else I've been looking for.

[1859sharps]

Here ya go skippy

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140AB170

someone is a bit confused.

start here

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayexpandedbranch.xhtml?tocCode=PEN&division=10.&title=4.&part=6.&chapter=2.&article=

there is the section that deals with the average person who owned a firearm before it was declared an Assault Weapon.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...r=2.&article=5.

If you read this part of the penal code, you will see that at section 30945 there is a list of activities that do NOT require a permit. simply owning and storing a personal and legally registered "assault weapon" does NOT require a permit, this triggering inspections.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=30945.

For all other activities a permit is required and thus inspection. for information on that see this part of the penal code.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...r=2.&article=6.

you will note that it starts out in section 31000 saying that IF a person wishes to use it in a manner different than specified in Section 30945.... (which covers regular people who just happened to own and register and provides for keeping at you home, taking to the range and a few other activities) A permit is required. so if your activity with an Assault Weapon isn't covered in 30945 you need to look into a permit.

31000.

(a) Any person who lawfully acquired an assault weapon before June 1, 1989, or a .50 BMG rifle before January 1, 2005, and wishes to use it in a manner different than specified in Section 30945 shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(b) Any person who lawfully acquired an assault weapon between June 1, 1989, and January 1, 1990, and wishes to keep it after January 1, 1990, shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(c) Any person who wishes to acquire an assault weapon after January 1, 1990, or a .50 BMG rifle after January 1, 2005, shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(d) On and after January 1, 2014, no partnership, corporation, limited liability company, association, or any other group or entity, regardless of how the entity was created, may be issued a permit to possess an assault weapon or a .50 BMG rifle.

Now to the part you quoted...

31110 falls into a part of the penal code dealing with Assault Weapons labeled miscellaneous. It appears to be a section where they dumped a exception to the yearly inspection requirement for PERMIT holds, NOT people regular people who simply owned a firearm that was subsequently defined as an Assault Weapon.

the exception

31110.

(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of Justice shall, for every person to whom a permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.

(b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if determined by the department.

Some key things that made you misunderstand what you were reading.

1. you only read part A, and ignored part B
2. this relates to people with a permit, not simply a person with a registered assault rifle as discussed above.
3. you read not from the actual published law, but from the Bill information that created the section. this made it difficult to keep correct context.

[Sousuke]

someone is a bit confused.

start here

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayexpandedbranch.xhtml?tocCode=PEN&division=10.&title=4.&part=6.&chapter=2.&article=

there is the section that deals with the average person who owned a firearm before it was declared an Assault Weapon.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...r=2.&article=5.

If you read this part of the penal code, you will see that at section 30945 there is a list of activities that do NOT require a permit. simply owning and storing a personal and legally registered "assault weapon" does NOT require a permit, this triggering inspections.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=30945.

For all other activities a permit is required and thus inspection. for information on that see this part of the penal code.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...r=2.&article=6.

you will note that it starts out in section 31000 saying that IF a person wishes to use it in a manner different than specified in Section 30945.... (which covers regular people who just happened to own and register and provides for keeping at you home, taking to the range and a few other activities) A permit is required. so if your activity with an Assault Weapon isn't covered in 30945 you need to look into a permit.

31000.

(a) Any person who lawfully acquired an assault weapon before June 1, 1989, or a .50 BMG rifle before January 1, 2005, and wishes to use it in a manner different than specified in Section 30945 shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(b) Any person who lawfully acquired an assault weapon between June 1, 1989, and January 1, 1990, and wishes to keep it after January 1, 1990, shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(c) Any person who wishes to acquire an assault weapon after January 1, 1990, or a .50 BMG rifle after January 1, 2005, shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(d) On and after January 1, 2014, no partnership, corporation, limited liability company, association, or any other group or entity, regardless of how the entity was created, may be issued a permit to possess an assault weapon or a .50 BMG rifle.

Now to the part you quoted...

31110 falls into a part of the penal code dealing with Assault Weapons labeled miscellaneous. It appears to be a section where they dumped a exception to the yearly inspection requirement for PERMIT holds, NOT people regular people who simply owned a firearm that was subsequently defined as an Assault Weapon.

the exception

31110.

(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of Justice shall, for every person to whom a permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.

(b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if determined by the department.

Some key things that made you misunderstand what you were reading.

1. you only read part A, and ignored part B
2. this relates to people with a permit, not simply a person with a registered assault rifle as discussed above.
3. you read not from the actual published law, but from the Bill information that created the section. this made it difficult to keep correct context.

Thanks for posting this. I didn't have the time, so I asked "who" and "how" to flesh this out.

[Sousuke]

WCall your local fire marshall. He'll tell you how much HE'LL allow you to have on hand. As for making your own--only if you have a death wish.
Jon

I've seen how to make it, and it doesn't seem dangerous when made in very small quantities using a pestle and mortar. Doing it that way is very slow though and the quality/energy potential will never match industrial producers like Dupont.

[3006]

I'm located in slo county. A gun shop told me I could only buy the pirodex. So can you make it ?

Try Bridges in Paso last I need some thats where i got it they keep it locked in a safe

[3006]

This will sound naive but why not just use BP substitute? Does real BP make more smoke or something? My local reloading supply always has all of the substitutes in stock.

The real stuf is much more fun more smoke and more power it seams like to me. I have a old cap and ball pistol .

[Paul_R]

someone is a bit confused.

start here

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayexpandedbranch.xhtml?tocCode=PEN&division=10.&title=4.&part=6.&chapter=2.&article=

there is the section that deals with the average person who owned a firearm before it was declared an Assault Weapon.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...r=2.&article=5.

If you read this part of the penal code, you will see that at section 30945 there is a list of activities that do NOT require a permit. simply owning and storing a personal and legally registered "assault weapon" does NOT require a permit, this triggering inspections.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=30945.

For all other activities a permit is required and thus inspection. for information on that see this part of the penal code.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...r=2.&article=6.

you will note that it starts out in section 31000 saying that IF a person wishes to use it in a manner different than specified in Section 30945.... (which covers regular people who just happened to own and register and provides for keeping at you home, taking to the range and a few other activities) A permit is required. so if your activity with an Assault Weapon isn't covered in 30945 you need to look into a permit.

31000.

(a) Any person who lawfully acquired an assault weapon before June 1, 1989, or a .50 BMG rifle before January 1, 2005, and wishes to use it in a manner different than specified in Section 30945 shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(b) Any person who lawfully acquired an assault weapon between June 1, 1989, and January 1, 1990, and wishes to keep it after January 1, 1990, shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(c) Any person who wishes to acquire an assault weapon after January 1, 1990, or a .50 BMG rifle after January 1, 2005, shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.

(d) On and after January 1, 2014, no partnership, corporation, limited liability company, association, or any other group or entity, regardless of how the entity was created, may be issued a permit to possess an assault weapon or a .50 BMG rifle.

Now to the part you quoted...

31110 falls into a part of the penal code dealing with Assault Weapons labeled miscellaneous. It appears to be a section where they dumped a exception to the yearly inspection requirement for PERMIT holds, NOT people regular people who simply owned a firearm that was subsequently defined as an Assault Weapon.

the exception

31110.

(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of Justice shall, for every person to whom a permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.

(b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if determined by the department.

Some key things that made you misunderstand what you were reading.

1. you only read part A, and ignored part B
2. this relates to people with a permit, not simply a person with a registered assault rifle as discussed above.
3. you read not from the actual published law, but from the Bill information that created the section. this made it difficult to keep correct context.

I'm not confused at all. I responded to a guy who went on a rant and essentially claimed that since he didn't have to have his RAW's inspected, nobody else did either. Obviously some people do.

[1859sharps]

An idiot registered an assault rifle (mistake number one) which opened the door to periodic DOJ assault rifle inspections.

Your claim was simply registering an assault weapon will open the door to periodic DOJ inspections. It does not. The whole part about permits and the inspection of the permit holder is not even relevant to this conversation. Or even the vast majority of conversations as a "simple" gun owner and the law regarding assault weapons. So trying to say "see there are people who get inspected" is still a false claim in the context of this conversation.

Again, being a owner of a registered assault weapon is NOT the same as being a assault weapons permit holder. just being a simple registered owner does NOT trigger inspections.

I am sticking with you are confused. but that is ok, CA gun laws are confusing so to be confused will happen to all of us at one point or another.

[1859sharps]

As for making your own--only if you have a death wish.
Jon

I am not so sure I would go as far as calling it a death wish, but it isn't something you would want to do using half measures and not completely understanding the process and how to do it safely.

This will sound naive but why not just use BP substitute? Does real BP make more smoke or something? My local reloading supply always has all of the substitutes in stock.

While the smell and smoke can be part of the BP experience, to date nothing beats actual BP. some of the substitutes are pretty good, some are not. but none measure up to what actual BP can do.

I've seen how to make it, and it doesn't seem dangerous when made in very small quantities using a pestle and mortar. Doing it that way is very slow though and the quality/energy potential will never match industrial producers like Dupont.

Again, i would not go so far as calling making your own BP a death wish IF you actually educate your self regarding the chemistry, process, safety measures, and using the right equipment.

BUT don't fool your self, the manufacturing process is dangerous in any quantity.

[groverdunerider]

So if been looking into it . It is very simple...assuming your not stupid and like many have said take the proper safety measures as well as use equipment that will not create static.

[870classic]

Is your life, limbs, eyes, or property worth the learning curve of explosives? Do yourself a favor and let the professionals take on the risk of making black powder.

[groverdunerider]

There is no learning curve to something that is properly researched and carried out with an exact presses . Besides I haven't figured out if it's legal there for I'm not going to do it till I have.

[otteray]

The old primers were corrosive. BP is mostly hydroscopic. Keep things oiled with bp friendly oils.

[otteray]

Pyrodex is more corrosive.

[Paul_R]

The old primers were corrosive....

Only if you didn't clean your guns