Easy question...

[jl1252]

Chief,

yeah, sorry, edited my post.

jl1252

[762cavalier]

except for the fact you can't bring back a SKS with a grenade launcher on it, you are correct

You can however buy it out of state and remove the grenade launcher before you bring it into CA

[icormba]

Erm, if you buy one, you have to run it through DROS, yes?

From what I've read, guns which have been purchased through DROS do not go into your bound book. The bound book is only for guns you purchase with your C&R.

Oops, just read upwards, looks like CA disagrees with that. Must've been something for dudes in other states...

No, anything you buy that is on the Fed C&R list MUST be logged into your Bound Book... ie if you live in Florida and buy a M1 Garand from the CMP (without your 03FFL) you still must log it into your BB.

[Santa Cruz Armory]

Found my answer

Found the answer. Thanks guys!

FIREARMS CURIOS OR RELICS LIST
Curios or Relics
Update March 2001 through December 2003

Section II - Firearms classified as curios or relics, still subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, the Gun Control Act of 1968.



Yugoslavian manufactured rifles M59 and M59/66, 7.62 x 39mm caliber, all semiautomatic variations and having a fixed magazine, manufactured from 1947 to 1992.

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[rick_in_lb]

So if I read this correct. Since a M59 does not have a grenade launcher, I can have it shipped to my door, IF I had my C&R. Yes, I am fishing to get a cheaper one here in California!

[NeoWeird]

So if I read this correct. Since a M59 does not have a grenade launcher, I can have it shipped to my door, IF I had my C&R. Yes, I am fishing to get a cheaper one here in California!

No. It does not meet all requirements of California law to be transfered to you without a DROS since it is less than 50 years old (they begam manufacturing in 1959, hence Model 59. Just like Mosins, the 1903, etc their number is the year and is a good indicator to age).

What most of you are failing to realize is that California does NOT have a definition of C&Rs. California simply says "Hey, we RECOGNIZE that the US government has deemed these weapons as C&Rs, and IF they are 50 years or older, then you can transfer them at will without a DROS."

If you are a collector, you need to log in and out ANY C&R firearm that comes into your hands and goes out of them. The ATF never collects your records, they are their strictly for the ability to track any firearm that may need to be tracked. If a C&R was stolen and sold to you via legal means, and then you get rid of it, you BETTER be able to tell Agent ABC where it went. Likewise, if a firearm is used in a crime and you are the last person registered as owning it with them, you BETTER be able to tell Agent ABC who has it. It is 100% for monitoring and nothing more. Besides, failing to log in firearms may bring into question how many you have failed to log in and whether you are not loggint them in because you plan on selling them in bulk as a business. The paperwork is there to cover your ******; be lazy and you are gambling, only with Federal law not state.

In case you haven't been told, outside of dealer discounts via the web, your C&R license alone is really only useful on rifles 50+ years or older and when you travel out of the state when you are then legally able to purchase C&R firearms. There are other things, like the CoE, which enhance the C&R in California, but alone, unless it is 50+ years or older or you are leaving the state to get it, you can't touch it.

ETA: In case you didn't catch it; it is legal for a C&R license holder to have a Model 59 shipped to them without any background check. It is NOT legal for someone in California to acquire a 49 year old or less longarm without a DROS. Having a Model 59, for example, shipped to you in the state would be Federally legal, but would break California law. There is, however, nothing against the law, Federally or state wise, saying you can't drive 10 minutes into the border of a bordering state, purchase a Model 59, drive back home and log it into your books.

[t001]

O.k. just to muddy up the water some more. Would a new licensee be required to log in the C&R firearms in his possession he acquired prior to being licensed?

[NeoWeird]

No, you are not legally forced to log in previously owned C&Rs, only those obtained while you are licensed. Likewise, if your license expires and you do not renew it, you are no longer obligated to log in/out your C&Rs even though you have the book (it might be wise to still put in the log outs of rifles your obtained while licensed, but sold while you were not).

Of course it wouldn't hurt to log them in prior to all other firearms and make a note in your book that they were owned prior to being licensed (this will also give you a place to put them being logged out if you sell them as a license holder).

FYI, Brownells has an AWESOME log book that is only like $3. It also wouldn't hurt to keep a log of ALL firearms and regulated items (not really an issue here in Claifornia, but if you ever own any legal auto-sear, suppressors, etc) in a seperate book and keep it somewhere safe, like a lock box. It's good to have that information safe in case of a damage, loss, theft, etc where knowing their serial numbers might make it possible for PD to return them to you if found or for insurance claims, etc.

[rick_in_lb]

Thanks NeoWiered. I guess asking the same questions over different ways does help answer the question. Maybe we should have a sticky on what all these acronyms mean. I think I finally get it. I just wish that DANG BLASTED little blue envelope would come it, it's already been 9214 minutes since I sent it. tic tic tic tic !