Easy question...

[EOD Guy]

As per the DOJ website FAQ #14

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.htm

Seems to me you need to MEET BOTH the Fed list AND the 50 year requirment...........

No, you are comparing apples and oranges. In order to transfer a firearm between unlicensed individuals without dealer involvement, the firearm must be a C&R rifle or shotgun AND be over 50 years old. It has nothing to do with the definition of a C&R firearm. The California law is saying that C&R rifles and shotguns that are less than 50 years old cannot be transferred in that manner.

[EOD Guy]

So when someone says something isn't C&R eligible in California they don't mean it's not a C&R. They mean it isn't eligible to be purchased with the C&R when one is in California. Make sense? California hasn't made their own definition of C&Rs, they've only placed restrictions on what you can order with your license.

True with one exception. If you have both a C&R FFL and a COE from the state, you can purchase any C&R firearm from a dealer and bypass the 10 day waiting period.

[TonyNorCal]

True with one exception. If you have both a C&R FFL and a COE from the state, you can purchase any C&R firearm from a dealer and bypass the 10 day waiting period.

Exactly. I have both and have done just that. And just so people are clear, that's from a California dealer and you're still required to DROS. You just get to to cash and carry same day. Ordering from out of state the long gun only, greater than 50 year rule is still in effect.

I have a fun experience cash and carryin two M44s from big 5 lol.

[metalhead357]

No, you are comparing apples and oranges. In order to transfer a firearm between unlicensed individuals without dealer involvement, the firearm must be a C&R rifle or shotgun AND be over 50 years old. It has nothing to do with the definition of a C&R firearm. The California law is saying that C&R rifles and shotguns that are less than 50 years old cannot be transferred in that manner.

Thank you EOD and Tony.... both those clear up some of my own apparent misconceptions about C&R.

But all this begs the question then.....for a NON C&R's

May a Yugo 59/(or modded 66) be transfered between two non licencees without going through DROS?

I've littearlly missed out on two deals because of not wanting to travel TWO times to go hassle with DROS is some faraway local on what 'should' be a C&R but doesnt seem to be considered as much by more peeps and than I care to count.....while I've also been told on two seperate boards by mods that the 59 CANT be transferred this way; I personally just got done telling someone said same ((AND i REALLY FRIGGIN HATE PASSING BAD/WRONG INFO!!!!))

So PLEASE correct me in this one (and any relevant links you might have)
Thanks,

And back to the original post//////

I'd say call BATF...but I fear you might get an EX Cali DOJ worker

[TonyNorCal]

Metal, a Yugo 59 or modded Yugo 59/66 are both less than 50 years of age. So in California they are required to be DROSd. Even two people with C&Rs would be required to go to a deaeler and DROS. The Yugo 59 will be eligible for non-FFL transfer in about 3 years . .

The only SKS you can transfer in California with no DROS is a Russian (most of them). All others are either not C&R or C&R but under 50 years..

[metalhead357]

Metal, a Yugo 59 or modded Yugo 59/66 are both less than 50 years of age. So in California they are required to be DROSd. ..

LOL! EXACTLY as I've always heard it....now you might understand the confusion when one reads (i.e. ME) in this thread a C&R (any aspect of it)and its use on a Yugo... bound book or otherwise........ it 'dang confusing to read C&R and that the gun is defined as C&R but somehow is not C&R eleigible....

Metalhead

[Kestryll]

The Yugo SKS is a C&R firearm in California. California uses the same definition for C&R as the Feds and they reference 27 CFR for the definition.

It is not a "grey zone." BATF has put out at least two letters informing C&R FFL holders that ALL C&R firearms need to be logged while the collector is licensed, regardless of how they were obtained.

Here is one of the letters.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/011801ffl.htm

Listen to this man, his C&R-Fu is stronger than mine.
It's been longer than I care to admit since I bought anything, given my gant-like attention span with my hobbies. On the bright side it can't be long before a bright shiney C&R grabs my attention!

[chiefcrash]

As far as grey area firearms like the modified 59/66 or bare receivers and barrelled receivers, I would also log them anyway. It's better to log more than necessary rather than not logging what is necessary.

always good advice.

[icormba]

Is the Yugo SKS a C&R firearm that needs to be entered into my bound book?? I know it's not CA C&R eligible, I just need to know if I need to enter it.

Thanks!!

Looks like you asked an "Easy question", but didn't really get an easy answer?

Yes, you must log both the Yugo M59 & the Yugo M59/66 into your Bound Book.

[grammaton76]

Looks like you asked an "Easy question", but didn't really get an easy answer?

Yes, you must log both the Yugo M59 & the Yugo M59/66 into your Bound Book.

Erm, if you buy one, you have to run it through DROS, yes?

From what I've read, guns which have been purchased through DROS do not go into your bound book. The bound book is only for guns you purchase with your C&R.

Oops, just read upwards, looks like CA disagrees with that. Must've been something for dudes in other states...

[chiefcrash]

here's the short and easiest answer i can give:

If you have a C&R license, and the firearm you have just taken possession of is on the C&R list on the BATFE website: log it.

It does not matter if it was DROS'd or not. It does not matter what state you bought it from, what state you were in when you took possession of it, or what color it is. If it's on the list, log it.

[stevie]

My head hurts

[Pthfndr]

here's the short and easiest answer i can give:

If you have a C&R license, and the firearm you have just taken possession of is on the C&R list on the BATFE website: log it.

It does not matter if it was DROS'd or not. It does not matter what state you bought it from, what state you were in when you took possession of it, or what color it is. If it's on the list, log it.

Correct.

Guys, listen to EOD_guy. He is right.

Plus, once more for those who read too fast.

ONE DOES NOT "USE" THEIR LICENSE. A PERSON IS LICENSED TO COLLECT C&R FIREARMS.

[jl1252]

Just think of it like this,,,if you purchase a firearm that is on the BATFE list of C&R guns,,,regardless if it was DROS'd or not,,,log it!

Why not just go to Nevada and buy yourself a Yugo 59 or 59/66 (with grenade launcher removed or sleeved, of course) and bring it back yourself. You can personally import any C&R firearm (HG's included as long as you tell the CA DOJ w/i 5 days, and no AW's) from any other state. VIOLA! problem solved. Correct?

jl1252

[chiefcrash]

Just think of it like this,,,if you purchase a firearm that is on the BATFE list of C&R guns,,,regardless if it was DROS'd or not,,,log it!

Why not just go to Nevada and buy yourself a Yugo 59 or 59/66 and bring it back yourself. You can personally import any C&R firearm (HG's included as long as you tell the CA DOJ w/i 5 days) from any other state. VIOLA! problem solved. Correct?

jl1252

except for the fact you can't bring back a SKS with a grenade launcher on it, you are correct