the new ammunition law

[ccandgc]

CA is headed in the wrong way for a fix. You can't fix stupid.

[ezb57]

The law is dumb, I don't support it, but to explain it (not support it);

• It doesn't BAN Internet sales, you can still buy ammo from online vendors, but it can't be shipped directly to you. It has to go through licensed California ammunition vendor. Similar to buying a gun online and having it shipped to a California FFL instead of to your home.
• People can sell a very limited amount of ammo (50 rounds per month) to family members or between licensed hunters without an ammo vendor license. You can sell a very limited amount of ammo to licensed vendors (A person who sells no more than 100 rounds of ammunition to one vendor in one month or cumulatively sells no more than 250 rounds per year to vendors in this state.) without a license. If you want to sell more than that you have to become a licensed vendor.
• Buying ammo from a licensed vendor such as a retailer is pretty straightforward. The buyer presents his ID. The buyer is cross referenced to the list of owners of registered guns, the Automated Firearm System (AFS). If you have a registered gun you are on that list. That's to make sure only people who actually have guns are buying ammo (not making a straw purchase for someone else). Then they are checked against the list of prohibited persons used by APPS, the Prohibited Armed Persons File. If you are not on that list the sale is approved. That is the "background check". There is a $1 fee. People with C&R + COE don't have to go through the "background check".

So, do you prefer going to your local retailer, going through a quick "background check", and paying a $1 fee when you buy ammo, or driving hours to Nevada or Arizona, spending who knows how much on gas, and risk getting caught illegally importing ammo into California, to avoid paying a $1 fee?

Again, not supporting, just explaining.

Buyer will cross referenced to registered guns? What if you only own older non-registered gun or long guns?

[aghauler]

[QUOTE=Malthusian;18433753]I read the entire text, it is very vague about online ammo orders. The only specifics are about shipping to CA FFL in state for pickup.

FF03+COE may purchase out of State and return to CA with ammo

QUOTE]

Thanks for weeding that out! Saved what you posted to print copies of.

[adamjay]

The British are coming! Spirit the ordnance and rally the militia! Steele your resolve, you sons of Liberty, and let long live our Republic!

[omega]

cross referencing type of ammo with guns owned

Buyer will cross referenced to registered guns? What if you only own older non-registered gun or long guns?

Then you would have to register those firearms with the state as well so they can complete the check, and your guns are in the system / data base.

or all guns will require registration so you can pass the background check to purchase ammo in the future.

[fuddle]

Here is a good summation https://www.facebook.com/29outdoorge...12121465590102

[adamjay]

So, only firearms owners can buy ammo?
Can you only buy ammo for a particular gun you have registered?
What if I only have an antique?
What if I only have rifles I bought before Cali registration kicked in?
What if Grandpa wants me to pick up a box of 12 gauge for him?

Can't ban the guns, ban the ammo. Very California.
...shall not be infringed.

[condor]

Here's a part that wasn't well thought out. What do out of state trap and skeet shooters do? I used to register around 5000 clays a year. I used to take 2 to 3 cases of trap loads to a meet. Our idiot governor rides again....

A person who attended and participated in an organized competitive match or league competition that involves the use of firearms in a match or competition sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by, a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms, and the person brings or imports into this state no more than 50 rounds of ammunition designed and intended to be used in the firearm the person used in the match or competition.

[bombadillo]

I kinda hope that USPSA, PITA, and others will just stop doing events in California. Take them to other states that actually appreciate the 2A and the tax revenue fro the events.

[condor]

I kinda hope that USPSA, PITA, and others will just stop doing events in California. Take them to other states that actually appreciate the 2A and the tax revenue fro the events.

Don't forget the ATA and the winter chain shoots. This could also hold true for Long Range Competition. I think the regimen is 80 rounds per day?? Which brings up another question. What about reloads, or are these restrictions only for factory ammo?? Might be a boon for RCBS...

[AmmoDepotDan]

Effective Date and Online Sales

Different parts of the law take effect at different times. To answer a few questions it looks like the licensing requirement which will effectively end online sales goes into effect on 1/1/2018. Until then your online purchases of ammo are fine. Lawsuits will certainly happen but cannot happen until someone's rights are infringed (e.g. they are effected by the law) and that can't happen until it takes effect. What we can do not is write our State Congress-people and make our wishes known to whatever effect that may have in California.

[AmmoDepotDan]

Here's a part that wasn't well thought out. What do out of state trap and skeet shooters do? I used to register around 5000 clays a year. I used to take 2 to 3 cases of trap loads to a meet. Our idiot governor rides again....

A person who attended and participated in an organized competitive match or league competition that involves the use of firearms in a match or competition sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by, a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms, and the person brings or imports into this state no more than 50 rounds of ammunition designed and intended to be used in the firearm the person used in the match or competition.

Looks like you'll have to buy it in state. Better get friendly with your local FFL...

[fuddle]

So, only firearms owners can buy ammo?
Can you only buy ammo for a particular gun you have registered?
What if I only have an antique?
What if I only have rifles I bought before Cali registration kicked in?
What if Grandpa wants me to pick up a box of 12 gauge for him?

You will be able to buy any ammo. Additionally, there is wording to allow you to purchase without a card, ammo for the gun you're buying at the time of the sale.

Antique? Is this an ammo question?

If you have older rifles that you legally posses but now meet the new definition to assault weapon, you'll have to register them, take them out of state, reconfigure then into a legal config., of turn them into law enforcement.

You will be able to buy a box of shells since your grandfather is related. There is a limitation of 50 rounds / month between family members.

[MaHoTex]

I really don't have a ton of sympathy here guys. We have seen this coming for years. I have contributed many, many posts here on the importance of reloading you own ammo. Most of you never listened....you will pay the price now, or you will not shoot. I don't thing these laws are the end of the world, but they are another wake up call to rally against the next move by the government hacks.

So exactly how are you reloading 22LR? Just curious.

[MaHoTex]

I Thank God, no longer reside there, but my Brother does.

So he will likely be asking me to send him ammo in a unmarked box. Kinda like a personal Black Market.

Are UPS and FedX going to stop shipping ammo from Individuals into the State if you tell them the contents? I sure would hope not..If they do restrict the shipping, they are just as guilty. Should be no CA Law stopping them from continuing ammo shipments to individuals in CA.

Everyone out there should ignore this crap completely. It has come to a point where it has to be done. Nationally, it is likely going to have to happen that way soon also. If we do not fight back in some manner. They will completely win sooner, rather than later..

They are not going to lock up the whole Freedom Loving population of CA for disregarding this Crap.

Do not even think the courts are going to be of any help. That is nothing but a Pipe dream there. It is up to the Citizenry to stop it.

Yes, the ammo makers should put it to the State. If we cannot sell ammo to all residents of CA freely. Then your Government is getting none either.

Good Luck

Box must be shipped ground and marked as ORM-D.

Common carriers are exempted in the law.