Logging guns in my C&R bound book?

[dr.slushbox]

Do I need to log guns purchased in California and registered through an FFL, into my C&R bound book? Since I have done the DROS, background check, and even waited 10 days... do I also have to list them in my book? I have C&R guns bought in California (where I cant use my C&R without a COE) and also new guns that aren't C&R. Do they all get logged in or just the ones purchased with C&R and no DROS?
Sorry if this has already been covered, but a search came up with 0 results.
Thanks for the help.

[Cokebottle]

Can't help you on those you had to DROS, but guns that are not C&R are not logged.

Why do you not have a COE? It's only $22/year.

[dr.slushbox]

Why do you not have a COE? It's only $22/year.

Yeah, I should get a COE. I travel a lot and didnt think I would need one, but I keep finding good stuff at Little Johns.

[GOEX FFF]

You log ALL C&R's you acquire while you're licensed regardless if they're DROS'd or not.
The ones that are DROS'd, you log them in as from the dealer who did the transfer.

Like said, you don't log any non C&R's... nor do you log in any existing C&R's you've owned before you were licensed.

[dr.slushbox]

You log ALL C&R's you acquire while you're licensed regardless if they're DROS'd or not.
The ones that are DROS'd, you log them in as from the dealer who did the transfer.

That's what I thought (and have been doing).
Why I ask is that I got the form to renew my C&R and it asks "How many firearms have you bought or acquired with your firearms license over the past three years"
The DROS'ed C&R guns were not acquired with my license so do I count them?

[morrcarr67]

That's what I thought (and have been doing).
Why I ask is that I got the form to renew my C&R and it asks "How many firearms have you bought or acquired with your firearms license over the past three years"
The DROS'ed C&R guns were not acquired with my license so do I count them?

If you logged it in your BB than you need to count them.

[Cokebottle]

Yeah, I should get a COE. I travel a lot and didnt think I would need one, but I keep finding good stuff at Little Johns.

If you travel a lot, all the more reason to have one for importing from out of state.
Also does away with the handgun 1-every-30 limitation and 10 day wait.

[OniKoroshi]

You log ALL C&R's you acquire while you're licensed regardless if they're DROS'd or not.
The ones that are DROS'd, you log them in as from the dealer who did the transfer.

Like said, you don't log any non C&R's... nor do you log in any existing C&R's you've owned before you were licensed.

^ This!

[Cokebottle]

nor do you log in any existing C&R's you've owned before you were licensed.

And it is for this very reason that many collectors allow their license to expire every few cycles and reapply the following year.
Unlike a business FFL, when our license expires, we may destroy our bound book... start fresh in a year.

Main reason for this is it greatly simplifies the trip to the BATFE field office if you are selected for an audit.
Why carry 20 guns in when you can carry 2.

[SVT-40]

Do I need to log guns purchased in California and registered through an FFL, into my C&R bound book? Since I have done the DROS, background check, and even waited 10 days... do I also have to list them in my book? I have C&R guns bought in California (where I cant use my C&R without a COE) and also new guns that aren't C&R. Do they all get logged in or just the ones purchased with C&R and no DROS?
Sorry if this has already been covered, but a search came up with 0 results.
Thanks for the help.

The simple explanation is you do not "use" your 03 C&R license. You are licensed. The license legally allows you to acquire, hold and dispose of C&R firearms.

Being licensed requires you to log all acquisitions and dispositions of C&R firearms, regardless the source of your acquisition or the location of the disposition.

[Eljay]

The other way to look at it is the feds really don't give a $@#$ what you're doing to satisfy state requirements. DROS, no DROS, it's all the same to them. You're license, you acquire something covered by that license by whatever method, it goes into the book.

[dr.slushbox]

The simple explanation is you do not "use" your 03 C&R license. You are licensed. The license legally allows you to acquire, hold and dispose of C&R firearms.

The other way to look at it is the feds really don't give a $@#$ what you're doing to satisfy state requirements. DROS, no DROS, it's all the same to them. You're license, you acquire something covered by that license by whatever method, it goes into the book.

That is the way that I had always thought it was until I saw this renewal form that asks... "How many firearms I acquired WITH my license".
Thanks for all of the info, and I will apply for the COE.

[dr.slushbox]

Unlike a business FFL, when our license expires, we may destroy our bound book... start fresh in a year.

I don't know if this is a new procedure but the renewal form that I received states that if I am not renewing I have 30 days to send my records to the ATF.

[TRICKSTER]

I don't know if this is a new procedure but the renewal form that I received states that if I am not renewing I have 30 days to send my records to the ATF.

That does not apply to 03 FFLs.

[Cokebottle]

Thanks for all of the info, and I will apply for the COE.

Cool.

The initial application will run you a little over $100 with the Livescan, but after that, it's just $22/year to maintain.

Just keep that going even if you allow the 03 to lapse.