Lets see your .223 California Legal Self Loading Rifle!

[Aftermath686]

my buddy is all into airsoft and has the magwell grip on his airsoft m4 but said its made for a real ar i want one too...cant find it tho

I would not advise learning real-deal shooting techniques from an airsofter. That grip will hurt your shooting more than not running a grip at all. Take that $30 and buy an AFG, or better yet put it towards some training.

Just my $0.02

[badicedog]

I would not advise learning real-deal shooting techniques from an airsofter. That grip will hurt your shooting more than not running a grip at all. Take that $30 and buy an AFG, or better yet put it towards some training.

Just my $0.02

what he said!!!!! now you have $0.04

[Uncle Scary]

Still legal in California at this time.



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[cmth]

Still legal in California at this time.

One of Stoner's better designs. Too bad it never got the full attention it deserved.

[jonni]

I would not advise learning real-deal shooting techniques from an airsofter. That grip will hurt your shooting more than not running a grip at all. Take that $30 and buy an AFG, or better yet put it towards some training.

Just my $0.02

lol magpul koolaid drinker

[Capita159]

I would not advise learning real-deal shooting techniques from an airsofter. That grip will hurt your shooting more than not running a grip at all. Take that $30 and buy an AFG, or better yet put it towards some training.

Just my $0.02

I don't shoot airsoft "at all", nor do I run around with my rifle knocking down doors.
I shoot mainly prone. So therefore it doesn't affect my shooting. And anything, it helps me stabilize the lower part of the receiver.

So please explain why a Magwell will hurt your shooting?

[CoyoteHunter555]

Updated and finalized! It's been a long four years.

Sooooooooooooooo Sick!

[Aftermath686]

I don't shoot airsoft "at all", nor do I run around with my rifle knocking down doors.
I shoot mainly prone. So therefore it doesn't affect my shooting. And anything, it helps me stabilize the lower part of the receiver.

So please explain why a Magwell will hurt your shooting?

I am not putting you down, simply trying to help. That grip negatively effects shooting for many reasons. What follows is taken from someone who is much better at the english language than I, although I have added bits and pieces here and there:

The magwell grip may be comfortable, but it makes it nearly impossible for you to control recoil and or drive the gun reliably from target to target.

The key is to control both ends of the gun. Your strong hand obviously has to go on the fire control system. The support hand needs to control the business end, however your hand guards permit. The further out the better. The majority of the weight on modern AR's is in the barrel, or on the rails; be it lights, lasers, PEQs, ect... The better you control all that mass, the faster and more accurate you can become.

The magwell grip may work for one or two shots, or if you only shoot from the prone, but it is not intended for rapid, multiple target, or distance shots.

If in doubt, put yourself on a shot timer and do a scored multiple target rapid fire drill. Your magwell grip will show a much, much looser group and slower time.

Keep in mind this is not only a gear issue, but largely a training issue.

EDIT:: On a side note, the magwell grip has also been known to cause malfunctions when users place the thumb over the ejection port.

lol magpul koolaid drinker

I am not even going to bother...

[ChrisO]

I am not putting you down, simply trying to help. That grip negatively effects shooting for many reasons. What follows is taken from someone who is much better at the english language than I, although I have added bits and pieces here and there:

The magwell grip may be comfortable, but it makes it nearly impossible for you to control recoil and or drive the gun reliably from target to target.

The key is to control both ends of the gun. Your strong hand obviously has to go on the fire control system. The support hand needs to control the business end, however your hand guards permit. The further out the better. The majority of the weight on modern AR's is in the barrel, or on the rails; be it lights, lasers, PEQs, ect... The better you control all that mass, the faster and more accurate you can become.

The magwell grip may work for one or two shots, or if you only shoot from the prone, but it is not intended for rapid, multiple target, or distance shots.

If in doubt, put yourself on a shot timer and do a scored multiple target rapid fire drill. Your magwell grip will show a much, much looser group and slower time.

Keep in mind this is not only a gear issue, but largely a training issue.

EDIT:: On a side note, the magwell grip has also been known to cause malfunctions when users place the thumb over the ejection port.


I am not even going to bother...

THIS ^^^ this has been covered on other forums mag well grip is no bueno it's worse than going full retard.

[ChrisO]

lol magpul koolaid drinker

Magpul vs Mako HMMM...
Seriously come on. Magpul Makes QUALITY products for GREAT prices. How about you point me to a quality VFG that I can buy for 24 bucks that rivals magpuls RVG quality? It would be hard to argue that what magpul is dishing out is not quality for a good price. This is why you see magpul S*** on a lot of rifles. It is not a fad nor are people koolaid drinkers. Magpul puts out great products at great prices that rival other companies that put out gear at 3 times the cost. Also if anything Aftermath is a KAC lover, Right aftermath .

[billdoodoo]

here's a speed test between extended grip and magwell grip, you be the judge:

http://www.arizonashooting.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=120015

[Capita159]

The magwell grip may be comfortable, but it makes it nearly impossible for you to control recoil and or drive the gun reliably from target to target.

I'll give you credit for rapid firing. I have never used nor seen anyone use the mag well put of the gun for rapid fire, burst, or auto.
I like this "Magwell" product simply for my ability when shooting prone, with or without bi-pod. I do notice that when shooting crouch, it is a disadvantage to use the Magwell for muzzle reasons. And again, I don't run around with the rifle shooting things and knocking down doors, so shooting in a stands position is the last thing I want to do.

THIS ^^^ this has been covered on other forums mag well grip is no bueno it's worse than going full retard.

Magwell products main purpose is a oversize mag well.

[jonni]

you guys do realize that plenty of military personnel overseas have used magwell grips and even "full retard" (what a stupid name) grips on a vfg in actual combat and what a surprise, those grip didnt cause them to die, right?

you weekend warriors laugh at others using magwell grips/vfg even though actual military personnel have used them but cream yourselves when watching high speed low drag OPERATOR chris costa in their super cool OPERATOR training videos using a thumb over bore grip.

thumb over bore grip may work for you and thats great. Magwell grips/vfg grips work for others. Its all personnel preference

[Aftermath686]

you guys do realize that plenty of military personnel overseas have used magwell grips and even "full retard" (what a stupid name) grips on a vfg in actual combat and what a surprise, those grip didnt cause them to die, right?

you weekend warriors laugh at others using magwell grips/vfg even though actual military personnel have used them but cream yourselves when watching high speed low drag OPERATOR chris costa in their super cool OPERATOR training videos using a thumb over bore grip.

thumb over bore grip may work for you and thats great. Magwell grips/vfg grips work for others. Its all personnel preference

Your reasoning is absolutely mind boggling. Just because they survived, does not mean they were doing everything the best possible way. No matter who you are (with maybe a few medical exceptions) it is absolutely proven that shooting with a mag-well grip is worse off. You just plain don't have the control you do with your arm further out. It's science.

With your reasoning, since people survived the Civil War with muzzle loaders, than I would be just fine using one in modern combat. Why not, it's "sufficient."

I am personally not looking to be "sufficient," I am looking to be proficient. Therefore I look for every little advantage I can get to make myself a faster, more accurate, and overall better shooter.

On a side note, I have said this before, and I will say it again. Just because someone is LEO or Mil, doesn't mean that they know what they are doing. I have trained/served with a plethora of Mil and LEOs who don't know diddly squat about the firearms they are using, or how to properly employ them. It's actually a minority, in both cases, that are really locked on.

I think we have derailed this thread enough, so I snapped a pic real quick for the thread's sake:

[evidens83]

^^ Badass setup!