Lets see your .223 California Legal Self Loading Rifle!

[SixPointEight]

Where's all the KISS service rifles? Everything in this thread is 16" or tacticool.

Here's my contribution:
Noveske Lower w/ A2 Stock
BCM 20" A4 Upper w/ BCM BCG & Carry Handle

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7195/dsc0196n.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5870/dsc0209pl.jpg

My next AR will be a KISS Rifle build. Or a bull barrel target build.
For now, carbine build:

[tacticalcity]

But you don't have a "KISS" rifle?

Just because Criss Costa of Magpul miss uses the term "KISS" in his video series does not mean the definition changed over night.

The "KISS" movement is an adverse reaction the old school guys had against the new flat top rifles with their rails and lights and lasers and heavy accessories. You can't pick and choose between those new things the KISS movement was objecting to and still call your rifle "KISS". Having just one of them means it is not "KISS". "KISS" rifles can have M4 barrels, Carbine Barrels or Rifle Barrels. Those were all in use before the release of the flat top receiver and the SOPMOD package. Once you add anything not commonly issued to the bulk of the American Armed Forces (not talking special ops) before the introduction of the flat top receiver it is no longer "KISS".

To be truly "KISS" you would need either an A1 or A2 receiver, standard AR trigger pins and a standard trigger guard. Your carry handle, flat top receiver, anti-rotation trigger pins, and magpul winter trigger guard are all "tacticool" upgrades. Any snivel gear at all violates the "KISS" principle. For example, if you had all the things I mentioned and then put a 3-point sling rather than a simple nylon GI sling, you would again be violated the "KISS" principle. "KISS" is absolute basics. No frills what so ever. You got some frills my friend. Small ones, but frills none the less.

Don't get me wrong. I see the value in all those additions you have on your rifle. Its just that you are making fun of the "tacticalcool" people while still having your toes firmly dipped in the "tacticool" pool with your build. If you want to be one of those people who preaches the advantages of "KISS" over "tacticool" you should embrace the "KISS" concept 100% and not be half in and half out. Otherwise its disingenuous.

Not trying to be jerk. Just pointing out the irony. I find irony amusing.

If you never heard any of this before, I am not surprised. This is one of the most miss used terms in the AR world. Ticking off the purists and old timers left and right. I fall in the old timer category I guess. If only because I remember when this was a big deal on all the gun forums and people actually cared about how the term was used.

Where's all the KISS service rifles? Everything in this thread is 16" or tacticool.

Here's my contribution:
Noveske Lower w/ A2 Stock
BCM 20" A4 Upper w/ BCM BCG & Carry Handle

[pyro3k2]

There was a time when you would have gotten yelled at for calling an A3 receiver with a carry handle a "KISS" rifle. To be truly "KISS" you would need either an A1 or A2 receiver, standard AR trigger pins and a standard trigger guard. Any snivel gear at all violates the "KISS" principle. But these days it apparently means anything without rails.

or those fancy anti-walk pins

[tacticalcity]

You caught me mid-edit, but good catch.

I think I should mention I really do like his build. That is a quality rifle from a well respected brand. I'm not just saying that to be nice. He definately spent a few bucks making sure he had something nice.

I like the simple builds as much as the tricked out stuff. I own both, a 100% KISS Carbine and a tricked out M4 SOPMOD Clone. I like them both equally. I am not judging his build at all. I am just commenting on the miss use of the term "KISS".

[rct442]

But you don't have a "KISS" rifle?

Just because Criss Costa of Magpul miss uses the term "KISS" in his video series does not mean the definition changed over night.

The "KISS" movement is an adverse reaction the old school guys had against the new flat top rifles with their rails and lights and lasers and heavy accessories. You can't pick and choose between those new things the KISS movement was objecting to and still call your rifle "KISS". Having just one of them means it is not "KISS". "KISS" rifles can have M4 barrels, Carbine Barrels or Rifle Barrels. Those were all in use before the release of the flat top receiver and the SOPMOD package. Once you add anything not icommonly ssued to the bulk of the American Military Armed Forces (not talking special ops) before the introduction of the flat top receiver it is no longer "KISS".

To be truly "KISS" you would need either an A1 or A2 receiver, standard AR trigger pins and a standard trigger guard. Your carry handle, flat top receiver, anti-rotation trigger pins, and magpul winter trigger guard are all "tacticool" upgrades. Any snivel gear at all violates the "KISS" principle. For example, if you had all the things I mentioned and then put a 3-point sling rather than a simple nylon sling GI sling, you would again be violated the "KISS" principle. "KISS" is absolute basics. No frills what so ever. You got some frills my friend. Small ones, but frills none the less.

Don't get me wrong. I see the value in all those additions you have on your rifle. Its just that you are making fun of the "tacticalcool" people while still having your toes firmly dipped in the "tacticool" pool with your build. If you want to be one of those people who preaches the advantages of "KISS" over "tacticool" you should embrace the "KISS" concept 100% and not be half in and half out. Otherwise its disingenuous.

Not trying to be jerk. Just pointing out the irony. I find irony amusing.

If you never heard any of this before, I am not surprised. This is one of the most missused terms in the AR world. Ticking off the purists and old timers left and right.

I don't think you're a jerk. I actually had a good laugh. We all need a good laugh every now and again.

You're right it's not pure KISS, but the Magpul Winter Trigger Guard is a useful upgrade I have on all my ARs. Same with the anti-walk pins.

I don't think those things ruin the spirit of KISS like this:



Mainly I was lamenting the unpopularity of service weapons.

[tacticalcity]

Its all useful. Thats what makes it so hard to decide what to add and what to leave off.

The more crap you add to your rifle the more you eventually want a basic service rifle (KISS or non-KISS)...especially after a 4 day course. Man they can get heavy!

One of each...at least...is the only way to go!

Do you work for LMT or are you just a fan? They make great stuff. Love the SOPMOD stock. Very comfortable. Eye lines up with the sights perfectly every time you shoulder it. I could go on and on...

[rct442]

Nope I don't work for LMT, just another overeager fan. I just like to support the small shops like Noveske, LMT, BCM & Spike's.

[Rock_Islander]

Tacticool or whatever you want to call my rifle I just posted a picture of... I think it's supremely functional for what I WANT TO DO WITH IT. Period.

KISS seems a little dry to me, very basic. I like it and all, but if I'm chasing "functionality" then hell call me "tacticool". I'll take it as a compliment.

Tacticool 4 Life Homie (haha).

[SixPointEight]

Ohhh I forgot, I'm less simple than before I added a VFG, and soon an MOE front handguard. The HORROR! lol

[tomd1584]

an aimpoint is a useful upgrade to me, same with a flashlight. I do alot of night shoots. Its not as fun, (or easy) to shoot at targets you cant see.

so call my rifle tacticool, but its much more useful than shooting with irons in the dark.

Pic thread:

[KING_PALM]

OD GREEN PALM TREES FOR DAYS!

[Sick Boy]

That's a frakkin' ill bang stick man, I am super jealous!!

What size/model# is that case?

-Zack

OD GREEN PALM TREES FOR DAYS!

[KING_PALM]

case is a 1700. and thank you .

[Aprilia]

New to the forum, build below. Now just waiting on the zombies.

[Sick Boy]

That's real nice Aprilla, love the custom cut-foam in the case too.

Are you I Cali? I didn't think we could have the flare launchers here?