Are these High-end AR rifles worth the crazy premium, or just a nice AR?

[TacticalChihuahua]

So true you will never understand to you have some real trigger time behind a high end AR.

Yeah shoot a bushmaster or dpms for a couple years with your single stage trigger. Then get a quality set up with a SSA trigger or the like and you will understand

[eLeL]

What's wrong with wanting an HK MR762A1 LRP?

[-hanko]

I'm just waiting for an "operator" to post about the Tier thing...

[MrExel17]

I bet the dude that saved up to buy his 1 dream rifle, that he shoots and maintains, turns out to be a lot happier than the dude that ends up buying a bunch of PSA value builds.
I don't think it's about the rifle.

I have to agree with this as well!

[Jimi Jah]

If your upper and lower receivers are both 7075 T6 and fit together well, and are finished well... That is step 1. If you choose a good barrel, that is step 2. If you choose good "inner" components, machined to fit well and are made out of the right materials, that is step 3. The rest.. rails, stocks, sights etc. are subjective. How much does all of that "need" to cost?

Not much if you shop wisely. A great barrel like DD with a low cost quality upper reciever like JD Machine and you are good to go. The rest is window dressing.

[coryhenry]

It all depends on how much that 5% performance difference is worth to you on the high end. Same reason to buy really expensive cars.

[mif_slim]

Miculek, very fast shooter, won a ton of competition shoots a S&W m&p-15...tells you its the shooter not entirely the gun.

[RobertMW]

When it comes to an AR build you have a few criteria that define the rifle: fit, form, finish, reliability, accuracy.

fit: Just how well is everything made to fit together, so is it solid as a rock, or are tolerances just held to standard so they just go together.

form: is it a monolithic upper, does it have better accessories, low mass carrier group, different trigger group, basically accessories that make it better to shoot.

reliability: Are all the parts meant to work together, tuned, checked, parts chosen to improve reliability over standard ones, etc.

Accuracy: Is the barrel of exceptional quality, is the bolt head spaced from the factory to give the best chamber fit, is the barrel-to-upper fit top notch, low lock-time trigger group set to your proffered pull weight.


When you get a dirt cheap AR it will work, but you will wish for better stock and fore-end. It might be over or under gassed. The barrel is either not that accurate or wont last very long. The trigger will be millsurp quality. Things will rattle, the recoil will be more harsh than necessary. I could keep going on.

But, for example, a JP built rifle comes with the upper and lower matched to get better than average fit. The bone stock accessories are great quality, and they offer upgrades to a wide variety of different ones rather than having to buy twice. Their barrels are of exceptional quality, offering both high accuracy and great lifetime. They have a in house made low mass bolt carrier, high performance bolt that is made of better than milspec steel to last longer, and the gas system is tuned to work with it all. And to top it all off, the trigger is just super ****ing sweet, it's like the damn thing just teleports from full reset to pulled, and then back again, no takeup, no overtravel, no mush, you would just have to fire a top notch single stage to know what I mean.

Basically, you can pay 3x the money and get 3x the rifle. I don't know if you can start paying 6x the money and get 6x the rifle though, there is definitely a point of diminishing returns.

[JackRydden224]

Miculek, very fast shooter, won a ton of competition shoots a S&W m&p-15...tells you its the shooter not entirely the gun.

But that's Miculek....he isn't human!!!

Most of us just wants a nice toy, the same way we want a nice girl, nice house and nice girl

[BigPimping]

It is kind of like paying for a brand name after a certain point. Like a Coach purse for women.

[mif_slim]

Lol, your right Jack. Haha

[pookie1982]

My lwrc is worth every penny

[JackRydden224]

It is kind of like paying for a brand name after a certain point. Like a Coach purse for women.

You are lucky if your women only wants a Coach not a Gucci, LV or Chanel.

Lol, your right Jack. Haha

After you watch his videos it just makes you feel like a total amateur LOL! It's like growing up watching Michael Jordan, trying to do his moves, just to find out he is waaaaay out of your league.

[caliberetta]

Hi guys,

I keep having this on going argument with my two shooting buddies...dedicated AR fanboys....about the prices on these LMT and other crazy $3-5k AR rifles.

I keep saying that they are just high end direct impingement system AR rifles. I dont see the difference between a nice $1200-$1400 AR and those crazy higher priced ones.

American soldiers dont use $5k AR rifles...It seems like a damn joke to me. These AR companies popping up every day.

They keep saying.."BRO...its HAND made BRO" But that's the best argument they have. So...... who is right? What can I say to sort of end the argument...or am I wrong?

P.S. I'm trying to steer one of them into buying something different like a SCAR or an FAL or a G36 clone with that money...I just dont see the attraction in this.

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Why waste time arguing? Nothing even needs to be said. Just shoot your own way, and if the result is equally effective or even better than theirs, that's your prize. You get a double prize knowing you spent half.

You don't need to rub it in their face. Believe me, they will be the first to notice. Why? Because it's embarrassing to have a high-end rifle (or car, or motorcycle, or whatever) and get beat by a plain jane.
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[IPSICK]

Miculek, very fast shooter, won a ton of competition shoots a S&W m&p-15...tells you its the shooter not entirely the gun.

Do you know how much JP components Jerry used and still uses over the course of his career to win those competitions?

Yes it's pretty much mostly the Indian and not the Arrow, but damn the Indian does use some high quality Arrows.

Btw, he is not shooting a bone stock S&W M&P-15. Don't delude yourself into thinking he does.