Is an M16 safety ok in an AR?

[CHS]

Just a silly question here.

I've got a spikes lower with the pretty color-filled bullet pictograms, including the FA picto. Assuming I have *NO* M16 fire control parts, and stick to an AR trigger, disconnector and hammer, would it be "ok" in the eyes of the law/BATFE to have an M16 safety just so, for fun, I could click it over to the FA position?

Now, even if that's NOT ok, would it actually work? Would it prevent the firearm from functioning in SA mode and actually act as a safety? Or would the firearm work in SA mode still, but now just have two SA positions?

I HAVE NOT done this, I'm merely curious. If this works and is "ok" by the law, I just thought it would be a neat little curiosity when showing off my AR to friends (not in public).

[superhondaz50]

It would work and would give you safe-fire-fire but........................................ Is a NO GO in BATF's eyes. Any m-16 part in the lower can constitute a "machine gun" even if the part doesn't affect the functionality of the weapon. Best bet is to modify an AR selector by dremeling in a new detent channel and detent bevel so the selector can flop into the "auto" positon. This would give you three positions. Safe-fire-safe. best advice is not to as this "scares" alot of people or worse the cop who pulls you over. happy shooting!

[jumbopanda]

I got a M16 selector with a Sarco parts kit a while ago, although it had a tab ground off to make it non compatible with full auto parts. You could still rotate it to the third position though.

[jumbopanda]

I got a M16 selector with a Sarco parts kit a while ago, although it had a tab ground off to make it non compatible with full auto parts. You could still rotate it to the third position though. The kit was kinda crappy though, and I'm not sure if I still have it.

[-hanko]

It would work and would give you safe-fire-fire but... Is a NO GO in BATF's eyes. Any m-16 part in the lower can constitute a "machine gun" even if the part doesn't affect the functionality of the weapon.

-hanko

[Solidsnake87]

I'm pretty sure its california state law that any M16 part is illegal with use in an AR. I could be wrong. Check out the DOJ's website, that is where I read the stuff. I just cannot remember verbatum what the CA law was. I know constructive possession might apply federally--assuming you had enough "bad" parts.

[ohsmily]

I'm pretty sure its california state law that any M16 part is illegal with use in an AR. I could be wrong. Check out the DOJ's website, that is where I read the stuff. I just cannot remember verbatum what the CA law was. I know constructive possession might apply federally--assuming you had enough "bad" parts.

You are. An M16 bolt carrier is perfectly legal to have in your rifle. However, M16 fire control parts (lower receiver parts) are prohibited in non Title II firearms.

[CHS]

You are. An M16 bolt carrier is perfectly legal to have in your rifle. However, M16 fire control parts (lower receiver parts) are prohibited in non Title II firearms.

I knew that an M16 carrier was fine in an AR, but is there an actual law statement that says any lower receiver part is bad that you could point me at?

[AlohaRover]

Assuming I have *NO* M16 fire control parts, and stick to an AR trigger, disconnector and hammer, would it be "ok" in the eyes of the BATFE to have an M16 safety

The selector IS one of the fire control parts.

[Jpach]

sounds like a certain giant asian bear is going to hell!

[Lon Moer]

I got a M16 selector with a Sarco parts kit a while ago, although it had a tab ground off to make it non compatible with full auto parts. You could still rotate it to the third position though.

I got one from them, too. It works fine, especially with my three position Spike's lower.

[CHS]

The selector IS one of the fire control parts.

Haha, ok. That's true. That is a good point.

So the Sarco ones are milled out in order to prevent their use with the rest of the M16 fire control parts. Looks like that might be the only acceptable way to do it then.

[ironcross]

Just ask your self this.

Do I want to be a test case???

Its just not worth the cool factor to be a test case...

A LEO see that it can be switched to FA. How is the LEO going to know its not a FA weapon. He cant test fire it on site. So you know what thats means.

Just my 2cents...

[Spyduh]

Just ask your self this.

Do I want to be a test case???

Its just not worth the cool factor to be a test case...

A LEO see that it can be switched to FA. How is the LEO going to know its not a FA weapon. He cant test fire it on site. So you know what thats means.

Just my 2cents...

I agree as well. The LEO won't and can't test fire it on site and if he's able to flip the selector then your going to have some legal bills. Do you have extra $20k to pay for a legal case? Is flipping the selector to the 3rd position that important to you even tho it doesn't function? If you have an extra $20k I would donate that to the Calgun AW Case and help all CA gun owners! http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=108030

[BONECUTTER]

A LEO see that it can be switched to FA. How is the LEO going to know its not a FA weapon. He cant test fire it on site.

Its a simple function check to see if the third position is safe/semi/full. No rounds needed.