Anyone heard of a Supertool?

[ILVH8RS]

So I am gonna be the newb to ask this question as this si the first time I've read this thread. Don't think this has been answered yet but if it has I apologize. I happen to own a magnetic device for releasing my magazine from my evil AR15 platform. However, the sole reason for this is I travel to Arizona AT LEAST once a month to see my son. Obviously I do not need the wonderful BB in such a gun friendly state. So i bring this magnetic device with me to make my shooting experience for myself, my wife, and my son that much better. Anyway, I am wondering that if having it "affixed" to my rifle here is obviously a potential felony...though I don't use it here at all because of this possibility, is even having it in my possesion while transiting to and from AZ a problem? Am I in possession of something that is similar to having high cap mags here? Just wondering if maybe I should just get rid of it all together.

[Blackcast]

Another low post dishonorable shill. Probably has a gmail or yahoo account to disguise that they are the owner or employee of supertool.

Gun rights activists and people who support freedom and the Constitution-
use logic, facts, are emotionally detached, because the facts speak for themselves.

Anti-Gun activists and people who support changing/ altering the Constitution-
determine guilt by association, make decisions based on emotion, could care less about facts...witch hunt.

Is that not what happened here?

One day, when I was discussing the current laws up for a vote in our legislature I exclaimed, "That's it! I'm moving out of the state." A man next to me responded, "But if you move, you're not supporting the fight here. You've given up."

He was absolutely right.
Witnessing the kind of "IPSICK" logic in this thread makes me question why I'd want to support people who think like they do: witch hunt, mob anti-logic.

[Blackcast]

So I am gonna be the newb to ask this question as this si the first time I've read this thread. Don't think this has been answered yet but if it has I apologize. I happen to own a magnetic device for releasing my magazine from my evil AR15 platform. However, the sole reason for this is I travel to Arizona AT LEAST once a month to see my son. Obviously I do not need the wonderful BB in such a gun friendly state. So i bring this magnetic device with me to make my shooting experience for myself, my wife, and my son that much better. Anyway, I am wondering that if having it "affixed" to my rifle here is obviously a potential felony...though I don't use it here at all because of this possibility, is even having it in my possesion while transiting to and from AZ a problem? Am I in possession of something that is similar to having high cap mags here? Just wondering if maybe I should just get rid of it all together.

Her you go. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=609268
Read the thread I posted instead of this one. On that thread, there seem to be more adults who can have a conversation.

[MrPlink]

Dont worry guys, this whole issue could be moot really soon

[Blackcast]

it was defeated for the year, but now they want to register ALL Semi's by 2015 and ban sales and transfers for ALL Semi's by 2014 in SB 374. Looks like they included all BB semi's in an amendment on 8/5.

Must write them NOW!

[12voltguy]

Dont worry guys, this whole issue could be moot really soon

there ya go, always looking on the bright side of things
no guns=no bb or mag tool

[GREENONE1]

looks like GreenOne gave up.

Sorry dog, not in my DNA.

I'm actually waiting on our legal team to finish their research regarding any charges that include subsequent convictions with a magnet since 2009. So far, there are no convictions to report.

At this point I'd rather reply to all future responses regarding this product’s legality using facts and case law. Although until I receive this information, I would like clear up some misinformation...

I have never once denied affiliation with this company nor have I been disingenuous to my true identity. I choose not to display my name on the internet just as many others do not. If there is a rule on this site that states that I must announce myself, well then I've crossed that line. I am not aware of such a rule.

Additionally, I have not nor was I intending on pushing this product here. I discovered the OP’s thread while reporting site analytics for our team. Upon reading this thread, I discovered a post explaining that we were selling an illegal product. The "lively debate" I was referring to was simply meant to provide legal information regarding the product and debate the unknown grey areas. We have ZERO affiliation with the OP or anyone else on this thread. If my responses have offended any of you, I did not intend to do so. My bad.

I would also like to clear up an erroneous statement...One of my previous posts suggested that the bill not passing was legal precedence....this was incorrect and I stand corrected. We were consulted months ago regarding a case that did set precedence. When I first responded, I mixed up the case with the bill. I will also be providing this information once I receive it.

We will also be posting a video at Kestryll's request to demonstrate its legal use.

To Bill Weise...
We have never and will never sell this item without a thorough explanation regarding the legal use and the potential legal complications or consequences that could arise from its misuse. I'm not sure what you have witnessed in the past with other companies demoing a product of this type but we do fully explain the legal and illegal use. Over the past year, I have also witnessed both Mag Magnet and Tac Mag demonstrate its legal use while providing instruction. It seems like the guys that are in business are still in business because they follow the law. Maybe there was a time where others did not....I have not witnessed this. In the past, we’ve been located next to the ATF and have had more than one conversation with the DOJ at gun shows regarding this product. No, we have not had a formal sit down meeting nor have we received a formal blessing although they did not have a problem with how we conducted business.

I’m curious, If it’s Calguns position that this product is not recommended and will cause California residents harm, then why are you recommending Solar Tactical’s version of this product? If it’s solely based on the instruction they provide as you stated, then we are no different.

To Naeco…
How dare you even begin to illustrate that I’m dishonoring the Marine Corps. You do not know who I am, what I’m doing nor have you responded with any facts to support your position. You personally are guilty of spreading misinformation while bashing others that don’t obey your position. California gun owners already get enough of this from the opposition.

Additionally, asking loaded questions to inspire debate does not translate into a disregard for the law. We are in fact a country of laws and we respect them. YES we are doing this for liberty AND the dollar. We are profiting or “chasing the dollar” just like millions of Americans have done since 1776. This is just part of the reason why the Unites States of America is a great country….it’s called free market capitalism. We are also free to use our profits from the sale of a legal product to create a network to support our cause in the 2014 elections. This is part of our strategy. We choose to fight this battle as grassroots political activists, not in the courts like this community does.

At this point in time with all the heavy anti-gun political opposition, fighting our philosophies and motives will only serve to divide our front.

If you have ever visited a Supertool booth at a gun show, then you would understand what I’m talking about. We have been doing this for some time now and this is not the only product we sell.

Not everyone is going to agree with us or like our product but I can definitely tell you that we have received tremendous support from the residents of California to include law enforcement and political organizations that have met us and understand our strategy. We intend to work with these political supporters to provide a means to message California residents in 2014 and beyond.

And yes, we are fighting on the RIGHT side of the line.

In the end, Calguns provides a great service to our community; they fight unconstitutional legislation in our courts. Without the added firepower of grassroots political activism like Supertool, more anti-gun politicians will continue to be elected and re-elected thus creating an impossible fight for Calguns.

It’s time to band together to take back our state.

I will provide the facts and case law regarding the legality of our product plus post our video soon.

[Merc1138]

I have never once denied affiliation with this company nor have I been disingenuous to my true identity.

Yeah you were. You don't have to give out your real name, but to pretend you weren't disingenuous regarding your identity of be an employee for the company producing the product is silly.

Without the added firepower of grassroots political activism like Supertool, more anti-gun politicians will continue to be elected and re-elected thus creating an impossible fight for Calguns.

LOL

[naeco81]

Look, if you want to reevaluate how you conduct yourself on this forum going forward I'm all for that. I have no personal vendetta against you specifically. What I am against is folks that are willing to turn a profit at the expense of their fellow shooters. I have no ulterior motive other than trying to keep Calgunners out of jail.

I can only judge you based on your conduct thus far, and that hasn't been very impressive at all - certainly not becoming of the USMC. At the very least you were disingenuous and grossly misinformed on the legal front. I have given you facts as have others about why this business of yours is a risky and likely unprofitable venture - for both you and your customers. I'm glad to see you are following through on the video. As I said before, if this is about liberty and you believe in your product then you should have no problem sticking your neck out for it instead of asking unsuspecting customers to do so on your behalf.

A half baked apology doesn't get you off the hook completely, but it's a step in the right direction. I'll pass on the lesson in capitalism from a guy who finds this to be a sensible economic devotion.