Is this acceptable blocking method for 30rd PMAGs

[mobbology]

Just as the title states and asking Calgun's thoughts. Would this be GTG? I used a set screw w/loctite. Cheaper than obtaining blockers.

[MrPlink]

Maybe?
Permanence in this regard is not defined in the PC nor by case law.
So, if you feel comfortable with it, rock on.

[timmyboy450]

I would just rivet. I don't think the set screw would be considered
permanent.

[cwin]

I would just rivet. I don't think the set screw would be considered
permanent.

I agree. On a side note, makes me sad to see an Apple product in the condition =).

[mobbology]

I would just rivet. I don't think the set screw would be considered
permanent.

One reason why I asked, but then theres PMAG 10/30 blockers that is not a permanent fix. This confuses me. Can anyone clarify? Possibly direct me to anything written about this being legit or not.

I agree. On a side note, makes me sad to see an Apple product in the condition =).

if your worried my keyboard looks roughed up, fear not. Its a silicone cover thats worn out.

[Eljay]

Maybe with the red locktite.

With the 10/30 blockers people also use some epoxy I believe.

The problem is that the law's poorly written, and since they don't really seem to be enforcing it there's no judicial decisions that might clarify what the courts consider acceptable. So people pretty much make a good faith effort and hope that's sufficient. If you're not comfortable with that I recommend you just use 10 round magazines unless they absolutely don't make any for a particular gun.

[G-forceJunkie]

There is no definition of what if "permanent." It all depends on what the cop that might see it thinks and what the DA of that county thinks. There is no black and white answer for your question.

[Arnelcheeze]

There is no definition of what if "permanent." It all depends on what the cop that might see it thinks and what the DA of that county thinks. There is no black and white answer for your question.

^^^ I agree with this. Rivet or set screw, i can use a tool to remove them both, does having to use a tool to remove the blocking device make a difference? who knows right now. I think this is why most people use epoxy, you pretty much have to destroy the thing to get it open if you need to.

[somiskid]

dude we have the same knife!!!!

[kkp]

I would just rivet. I don't think the set screw would be considered
permanent.

A rivet requires destroying the rivet with cutting tools and/or power tools to remove. A screw requires a simple screwdriver, and can be switched back and forth from one config to the other easily without damage to either the mag or the screw.

Opinions vary on what is "permanent" and there is ZERO official information on the subject, but I can't imagine something that gets undone with a screwdriver and is that easy to switch configs back and forth could possibly be considered permanent.

You already have the necessary hole in the mag body, so go ahead and spend $5 on a rivet gun if you don't already have one, and rivet it.

I don't rivet the bottom plate. That interferes with being able to clean/service the mag, and as such makes it an unreliable part, in my book. With the bottom on or off, you STILL need cutting/power tools to modify the mag back to hicap status, when you've blocked it in this manner. If you ONLY did the little magblock plastic plate, which is what I lot of people do, then I would agree it's too easy to reverse (no tools needed at all!), but with a modification like the one you've done, assuming you rivet in for extra permanence (instead of a simple screw), that's good enough for me. That's an argument I'm willing to make in court, if need be, for ME... YMMV.

[bruss01]

I use the 10/30 blockers and use epoxy to permanently affix the spring to the mag block.

After this conversion, it is no longer possible to reconfigure the magazine to full capacity status using just the parts present - and yet the magazine can be disassembled for routine cleaning when necessary.

If you start replacing parts and using tools... well, with enough time, tools, talent and replacement parts you can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. You can melt a gun down to a block of metal... is that truly "permanent"? No, because with enough machine shop time that block of metal can be made into a gun again. Since there is no legally defined meaning for the word "permanent" in the text of the law, it has whatever meaning a given reader assigns to it. I maintain that the permanent affixing of the mag block to the spring with epoxy makes the conversion "permanent" in that using only the components present, without substantial effort (really how much work would be needed? That's like asking how many licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop) it is impossible to readily convert the mag back to full capacity.

Any other "permanent" conversion I can envision makes it impossible to disassemble the magazine for cleaning, which is a necessary (though sometimes overlooked) part of good gun maintenance. I do not construe the law to be such as to potentially render a firearm useless or even dangerous by making the magazine impossible to properly maintain.

Now, if you do keep a spare spring and the original floor plate, then it is theoretically possible using THOSE parts, to re-convert the magazine when you travel out of state. I train with LMS Defense who has a facility in Fernely NV (east of Reno) where full capacity magazines are perfectly lawful and reasonable to use. By carrying extra parts with me, I can perform the reverse conversion readily in NV and participate in the class using the restored magazines. There is no legal guidance in the law, nor in court cases, outlining the situation where one is traveling with parts that in theory make it possible to convert the magazines from blocked to full capacity. It has been argued that an assembled blocked magazine is "permanent" in and of itself (and perfectly legal) and if you disassemble it, you now have a magazine rebuild parts kit (also perfectly legal). So by this line of reasoning, as long as you do not assemble the magazine in such a way as it can hold more than ten rounds, you have not violated the law. Again - this line of reasoning has yet to be proven in the court system and as such it is presented here as a viewpoint and not as a hard and fast rule.

My intuition on this is that as long as a person can show they are making a reasonable effort to comply with the law they will not have a problem.

[.40CALIbear]

I just slap in the limiter and call it a day. No rivet or epoxy

[MrPlink]

conjecture, conjecture and more conjecture.

[Munny$hot]

I just slap in the limiter and call it a day. No rivet or epoxy

If you disassemble the mag it instantly becomes a parts kit, so your limiter is permanent.

[Yemff]

Maybe?
Permanence in this regard is not defined in the PC nor by case law.
So, if you feel comfortable with it, rock on.

One reason why I asked, but then theres PMAG 10/30 blockers that is not a permanent fix. This confuses me. Can anyone clarify? Possibly direct me to anything written about this being legit or not.

he already answered your question