Security Guard Privileges

[Dakine_surf]

Who is Gecko45?

LEGEND!!! Google him... mall ninja doesn't get much better than this.

[TacticalPlinker]

No special weapon permits either, except your exposed weapon with a guard card.

Actually that's false... The BSIS issued California Guard Card DOES NOT grant the legal right to carry a firearm (or any other "weapon"), concealed or open, while on or off duty. It merely grants the legal right to work as a security enforcement officer (security guard) in the state of California.

If you want to carry a firearm (or any other "weapon"), you need to have a separate permit for that, and for each type of "weapon", including handcuffs.

The firearms permit will not grant the right to carry concealed. You need both a CCW and your firearms permit to carry concealed while on duty.

I don't think there is anything in the security guard laws about allowing use or access to "high capacity" magazines. That's LEO/MIL only.

And... Just to be clear, this will only grant you the right to carry while on duty, and usually to/from your job.

http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/guard_fact.shtml

[kimber_ss]

This is the extras that come with your guard card if you are expert enough...

Last year I made the decision to trust my life on the street to Second Chance body armor. I got the level IIa because it stops the most rounds. plus I got the Trauma Plate for the front.

What scares me is that, although I can fit an extra trauma plate in the front, I cannot fit a second one in back. As of late I have taken to duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of my back where the heart and vital organs are located. Then I put my vest on.

Here is the questions. The ducttape solution, although tactically sound, is hot and painful to remove. I would like to go to the single-plate solution in back. What I am worried about is repeated hits to that area with .308 ammunition. I have a high-risk security job at the mall and I fear that I would be the target for repeated long-distance shots to my back.

Are any of you aware of a thicker plate that could stop, say, .338 Lapua or something like that? Is there a better way to do the second plate?

BTW, I am, of course, usually carrying a pair of ceramic plates in my briefcase so that I can shield my head. My SO (we work as a team when necessary) has a similar accessory containing a breakdown NEF single-shot 300 WinMag with an 18" bbl. The plan is that I shield us with my body and “catch the rounds” while she assembles the NEF. I lay down covering fire with my 23 (Bar-Sto .357 Sig barrel) and she makes the long shots. I will then throw smoke grenades to obscure the area while continuing to lay covering fire. The problem, of course, is when I have to turn my back to run, and then the problem crops up.

Thanks!

[CSACANNONEER]

Yes, being that it was my residence, I had the right to carry anywhere on the 400 acres.

[TacticalPlinker]

This is the extras that come with your guard card if you are expert enough...

Last year I made the decision to trust my life on the street to Second Chance body armor. I got the level IIa because it stops the most rounds. plus I got the Trauma Plate for the front.

What scares me is that, although I can fit an extra trauma plate in the front, I cannot fit a second one in back. As of late I have taken to duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of my back where the heart and vital organs are located. Then I put my vest on.

Here is the questions. The ducttape solution, although tactically sound, is hot and painful to remove. I would like to go to the single-plate solution in back. What I am worried about is repeated hits to that area with .308 ammunition. I have a high-risk security job at the mall and I fear that I would be the target for repeated long-distance shots to my back.

Are any of you aware of a thicker plate that could stop, say, .338 Lapua or something like that? Is there a better way to do the second plate?

BTW, I am, of course, usually carrying a pair of ceramic plates in my briefcase so that I can shield my head. My SO (we work as a team when necessary)

It's sad you took the time to think of all that, let alone type it...

I understand the humor, and I agree... Being a security enforcement officer (security guard) myself, I've met a lot of people in this industry who take their jobs far too seriously.

But, there has been more than 1 situation over the years where I would of like to have a firearm with me. I work at night and generally alone,though I'm still here, so I obviously didn't "need" it (a gun).

Getting your firearms permit is also expensive. Tons of fees, permit costs and the cost of the classes you're required to take. Then you'll wait about 6 months for the paperwork if you're lucky. It's only reasonable if your company will deal with the paperwork, provide training and cover the costs, unfortunately mine doesn't (unless required for the post).

[kimber_ss]

^ Take a look at this link:Shrine of the Mall Ninja ...

http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

[SJgunguy24]

Please please just google Gecko 45, then you will understand the humor in that post. Please.

It's sad you took the time to think of all that, let alone type it...

I understand the humor, and I agree... Being a security enforcement officer (security guard) myself, I've met a lot of people in this industry who take their jobs far too seriously.

But, there has been more than 1 situation over the years where I would of like to have a firearm with me. I work at night and generally alone,though I'm still here, so I obviously didn't "need" it (a gun).

Getting your firearms permit is also expensive. Tons of fees, permit costs and the cost of the classes you're required to take. Then you'll wait about 6 months for the paperwork if you're lucky. It's only reasonable if your company will deal with the paperwork, provide training and cover the costs, unfortunately mine doesn't (unless required for the post).

[Distro]

It's sad you took the time to think of all that, let alone type it...

I understand the humor, and I agree... Being a security enforcement officer (security guard) myself, I've met a lot of people in this industry who take their jobs far too seriously.

But, there has been more than 1 situation over the years where I would of like to have a firearm with me. I work at night and generally alone,though I'm still here, so I obviously didn't "need" it (a gun).

Getting your firearms permit is also expensive. Tons of fees, permit costs and the cost of the classes you're required to take. Then you'll wait about 6 months for the paperwork if you're lucky. It's only reasonable if your company will deal with the paperwork, provide training and cover the costs, unfortunately mine doesn't (unless required for the post).

Woooooooooooosh

[SactoPlinker]

holy s*** i haven't laughed that hard in a while, seriously, Gecko45 threads should be a sticky thread, there to be seen in glory for internet eternity. I need to find that mall!

[Baboosh]

My REAL problem is that, like any LEO, I have enemies because of my job. They may have access to high-powered rifles. My job starts and ends at the same time every day. Although I use four rotating routes to drive to and from work, I am still vulnerable during the walk to and from my car. This is the time that I load up on the trauma plates because I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT DEAD!Also, someone said that my Tac Team doesn’t get training. Not true. We meet at the range every night and shoot 400 rounds each through weapons that closely resemble our duty setup. We also practice unarmed combat. I am a Master of three martial arts including ninjitsu, which means I can wear the special boots to climb walls. I don’t think any of you are working as hard as I am to be prepared. I asked a serious question about tactical armor and I wanted a serious response. If you want to laugh at somebody, try laughing at the sheep out there who go to the mall unarmed trusting in me to stand guiard over their lives like a God.

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[Baboosh]

This one always gets me

It was a hostage situation that was hushed up. The SWAT prettyboys were overpowered by the Gap, and we Backup RTF’ers had to resume our roles, and basically put everything five by five. The takedown was actually applied with SW weapons, SW3’s. It happened a while agao, and there is no way you would know what city I am in, so I can reveal these details, lets just say that the Mayor had really deep pockets to keep all of this out of the news.

[Bobula]

@tacticalplinker the fact you feel the need to correct the term "security enforcement officer" from security guard tells me you take your job to seriously.

[Bobula]

And what "permit" is required to carry handcuffs?!?!

[whipkiller]

There might a post removed somewhere that makes this seem pissy.

One would hope... edited

[SJgunguy24]

And what "permit" is required to carry handcuffs?!?!

Which type Bob? The metal handcuffs or the pink plastic ones with the ruffles?