AK Fans: Are there any meaningful differences between

[The Right to Bear Arms]

the Saiga IZSL-332A

http://www.riflegear.com/p-1645-saiga-akm-style-converted-rifle-762x39.aspx

and the Arsenal SGL-21?

http://www.riflegear.com/p-926-arsenal-sgl21-saiga-762x39-rifle.aspx

or are the differences merely cosmetic ?


Thanks for your time, gentlemen.

R.B.A.

[Chaos47]

Arsenal just converts Siagas.
That's just a Siaga converted by a different company

[The Right to Bear Arms]

Arsenal just converts Siagas.
That's just a Siaga converted by a different company

So the specs should be the same, yea?

Thanks, Chaos47. The store left out some of the interesting specs on the IZSL-332. They're sold out of the SGL-31.

RBA

ps. Anyone know of any stores in So.Cal still carrying the SGL-31?

[Chaos47]

Stats are the same because they originally they where the same rifles before the conversion.
Both started out as one of these

http://www.riflegear.com/p-803-saiga-rifle-762x39.aspx

You could convert your own if you are handy...
Even easier to do now that they sell one that already has AK forward grips so you don't have to do that part of the conversion

http://www.riflegear.com/p-1425-saiga-rifle-762x39-with-standard-ak-forend.aspx

BTW a lot of people here are not fans of Arsenal because they feel they abandoned the CA market for a long time to then all of a sudden change their policy and come back. A lot of people don't like their proprietary magazine lock either. Personally I have no feelings towards them, but would be more apt to convert my own and save some bucks...

[MrPlink]

Buying arsenal is like buy a Lego kit that is already built.

[zfields]

BTW a lot of people here are not fans of Arsenal because they feel they abandoned the CA market for a long time to then all of a sudden change their policy and come back. A lot of people don't like their proprietary magazine lock either. Personally I have no feelings towards them, but would be more apt to convert my own and save some bucks...

They did a lot more then abandon the CA market.

[Richard Erichsen]

the Saiga IZSL-332A

http://www.riflegear.com/p-1645-saiga-akm-style-converted-rifle-762x39.aspx

and the Arsenal SGL-21?

http://www.riflegear.com/p-926-arsenal-sgl21-saiga-762x39-rifle.aspx

or are the differences merely cosmetic ?


Thanks for your time, gentlemen.

R.B.A.

Furniture and conversion to pistol grip, that's all.

Build one instead, you'll thank us.

R

[stix213]

Note that the above mentioned proprietary magazine lock is not on an SGL-21, but instead on the SGL-23. Arsenal also makes a lot of their own parts, so while the non-Arsenal probably uses the Tapco G2 trigger group, the Arsenal will have the Arsenal produced trigger.

I have an Arsenal SGL-21 and I'd have to say it is pretty top quality. There are lots of places another company could cut counters if they wanted.

For example Arsenal goes over little details like swapping out the stock 300 meter rear sight with a 1000 meter, while it appears that other one you linked didn't bother. Another thing, toward the rear of the rifle there are two holes left open toward the bottom of each side. On the Arsenal you don't see them anymore, because I think they reweld them and then refinish the receiver, while you can clearly see they just put some caps or something on the non-Arsenal. Little stuff like that adds up.

All that said, my favorite AK is the Saiga I converted myself. I get more enjoyment out of that one, and it was fun customizing it how I wanted it.

[Dont_Shoot_im_Chinese]

If you buy a Saiga and convert it yourself, the cost difference will be very similar and you wont save much money because of time and effort. I also say that because people tend to leave out little details like the time it takes to make it, dril bits and parts, muzzle brake, rear sight, and etc. Saiga's will have holes that you will have to have plugs for while SGL's wont have them. another difference is that trigger area is slightly different if you remove the trigger guard and the trigger. both are very close. Youtube the conversion videos to see what im talking about. I'd pick up a Saiga and use whatever furniture parts to your liking

[Dont_Shoot_im_Chinese]

my guess is that the SGL's didn't come to america as a fully functional rifle. Otherwise, what would Arsenal do with all the spare russian parts that they changed to their own

[CSACANNONEER]

BTW a lot of people here are not fans of Arsenal because they feel they abandoned the CA market for a long time to then all of a sudden change their policy and come back. A lot of people don't like their proprietary magazine lock either. Personally I have no feelings towards them, but would be more apt to convert my own and save some bucks...

They did a lot more then abandon the CA market.

+1

If they had abandoned the CA market, most of us would have understood and respected theor decision while not agreeing with it. Instead, they took very proactive actions to keep anyone from shipping any of their products into CA. They have kept more legal firearms from entering CA than the entire anti-2A movement.

[bighead]

I wonder if any of those who exhibit this childish disdain for Arsenal own anything made by Ruger.

[REDdawn6]

to my knowledge , Arsenal does the conversion with better parts.

[zfields]

I wonder if any of those who exhibit this childish disdain for Arsenal own anything made by Ruger.

You do realize The big man at ruger has passed, and the company is switched the way they market and target audience.

[BHPFan]

You do realize The big man at ruger has passed, and the company is switched the way they market and target audience.

He must be really rolling in his grave with his company releasing the SR-556 lately.