AK Fans: Are there any meaningful differences between

[bighead]

One is due to the death of the person who created the bad policy

Vs

A company that decided that they wanted to make more money, and still limit what they will sell directly to CA residents. Take off their proprietary maglock, void all warranty. Not exactly CA friendly.

So if the owner of Arsenal died and subsequently changed policies it would then be ok?

The absence of logic here is baffling.

The point is both companies made decisions that hurt gun owners.Both have changed regardless of reasoning.It's obviously time to move on.

[zfields]

Do you seriously not understand the difference.

One company changes because of the death of the person who was against military / assault weapons, the other changes because there sales aren't high enough, and are still limiting what they sell in addition to having BS warranty support.

Is it really that hard for you to understand the difference, or are you just purposefully being hard headed.


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[bighead]

Ill try to make it simple.

Ruger made bad decisions but has since changed.

Arsenal made bad decisions but has since changed.

Time to move on.

Up next, in A show of gun manufacturer perfection, Gaston Glock walks on water.

[Chaos47]

Up next, in A show of gun manufacturer perfection, Gaston Glock walks on water.

Yea probably not going to happen lol

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/the-glock-family-feud-01252012.html

Damn this thread went down hill fast, did I inspire it by bringing up arsenal or just predict it would happen from seeing previous threads...

[Harrison_Bergeron]

The first gun he posted is a converted IZ-332, so it will have the factory 24mm threads on the barrel, that is a small difference.

[CSACANNONEER]

Ill try to make it simple.

Ruger made bad decisions but has since changed.

Arsenal made bad decisions but has since changed.

Time to move on.

Up next, in A show of gun manufacturer perfection, Gaston Glock walks on water.

I'll make it simple. Ruger NEVER tried to keep their products out of CA. Arsenal launched a long proactive campaign to prevent any of their legal firearms from entering CA. They threatened to cut off any FFL found legally shipping their products to CA. Their anti 2A policies are responsible for keeping more legal firearms out if CA than the Brady bunch has.Anyone who supports Arsenal by buying their products should be ashamed of themselves.

[hyeg35]

I chose to go with the already converted SGL-21 myself. Didn't think I had proper gunsmithing skills to do it myself. But after customizing my SGL, my next rifle will be fully built ground up, by me. Here are some pics of my SLG21, I have only recently added a Eotech 516.

[4thSBCT]

this thread makes me sad

[dbo31]

Just recently picked up an SGL21 not too long ago and love it the fit and finish are better than my other 2 AK's and its a bit more accurate but they all shoot pretty flawless. Its an AK..don't over think it.

[dbo31]

Just recently picked up an SGL21 not too long ago and love it the fit and finish are better than my other 2 AK's and its a bit more accurate but they all shoot pretty flawless. Its an AK..don't over think it. I personally couldn't care less about Arsenal's policies in the past. I blame most of that on CA itself.

[bighead]

I'll make it simple. Ruger NEVER tried to keep their products out of CA. Arsenal launched a long proactive campaign to prevent any of their legal firearms from entering CA. They threatened to cut off any FFL found legally shipping their products to CA. Their anti 2A policies are responsible for keeping more legal firearms out if CA than the Brady bunch has.Anyone who supports Arsenal by buying their products should be ashamed of themselves.

Bill Ruger Sr advocated trigger lock laws, magazine bans, waiting periods, and background checks not just for California, but for the entire United States.All of these actions were done by him to ultimately preserve profits.

I suppose we shall agree to disagree.Personally I will continue to purchase from both compainies without prejudice.

The end.

[Brick562]

i was at Riflegear today, and looked at both the arsenal and the saiga, and....their new Serbian Zastava Ak. drool.....

I already own an unconverted saiga iz332, but if I was doing this over again, I would go with the Zastava. Surprised myself really. Hundred percent brand new, rock solid construction. Only annoyance was the dust cover second release button. Don't believe it fully serves any purpose.

Anywho, can't go wrong on any of them.

[isplice]

Bill Ruger Sr advocated trigger lock laws, magazine bans, waiting periods, and background checks not just for California, but for the entire United States.All of these actions were done by him to ultimately preserve profits.

I suppose we shall agree to disagree.Personally I will continue to purchase from both compainies without prejudice.

The end.

I couldn't agree with you more! If a company changes their mind for the betterment of California gun owners, good for them and us. A large AR-15 manufacturer recently changed their branding so they could finally sell in California. Good for them too!

[stix213]

1000 meter sights on 'any' 7.62x39 mm weapon is an exercise in futility. Of all the modifications, this one has the least value in my opinion. I agree Arsenal trigger parts are superior to Tapco G2.

My point wasn't that the 1000 meter sights were actually useful. My point was that it shows an extra attention to detail. A real AK-103 as used by Russian versions of SWAT, which the SGL-21 emulates, has a 1000 meter rear sight and it is nice to see Arsenal not skimping when they easily could.

That is correct, welded and refinished. However, a builder with some welding skills, a welder, a grinder and some enamel paint can do the same thing.

Yes, but the discussion is between the two rifles that the OP linked. I hope you weren't suggesting getting the non-arsenal complete rifle, disassembling the whole thing, and rewelding those holes. I doubt the OP is looking to do his own welding when deciding between two complete rifles.

Tapco G2 is actually a better FCG than the Arsenal one. It's one of the few good things to come out of Tapco, and Arsenal dropped the ball on their FCG.

The Saiga I converted myself has the Tapco G2 and is very broken in, which has a fairly light but not distinct or crisp trigger. I seriously can't tell when the trigger is going to break, because it doesn't increase in resistance for me as the trigger is pressed.

My Arsenal has a very distinct and crisp trigger by comparison, but requires a lot more force to fire. Maybe it is because I haven't even put 100 rounds through this gun yet, while my other has thousands, don't know yet. I actually prefer my Tapco G2 trigger over the Arsenal, but I could easily see others with the opposite opinion.

[The Right to Bear Arms]

Damn this thread went down hill fast, did I inspire it by bringing up arsenal or just predict it would happen from seeing previous threads...

Roger that, sir. Ok, gentlemen. This is for everybody.

Let's keep it professional in here regardless of what you do for living or how much education you have.

You may not like a fellow Calgunner, what he posted, a company, what they did, etc.

However, we accomplish ( nothing ) when we turn on each other in threads like this.