Why no Readymade Featureless AR's?

[SuperSet]

With all due respect, you don't understand the law. You need to read the CGF Wiki links and the new people threads again. High capacity magazines are not illegal to possess in California. They are everywhere. And you can use them in featureless and RAW builds.
Bullet button = fixed magazine (10 rds or less). Featureless = no fixed capacity.

[starsnuffer]

With all due respect, you don't understand the law. You need to read the CGF Wiki links and the new people threads again. High capacity magazines are not illegal to possess in California. They are everywhere. And you can use them in featureless and RAW builds.
Bullet button = fixed magazine (10 rds or less). Featureless = no fixed capacity.

You are both correct.

It is NOT illegal to possess hicap magazines.

It IS illegal to "get" hicap magazines in California. You can't buy them, you can't make them, you can't import them, and you cannot even inherit them from family members upon death. You either have them and have had them for 12 years, or you don't.

-W

[a1c]

I think there would be a market for a featureless hunting AR chambered in a "big game" cartridge.

Some hunters who are not familiar with the AR platform but curious about it would probably be interested in getting a California-friendly AR right out of the box for deer, elk or pig.

But it is indeed a niche. And to cater to a niche, you need good marketing and distribution. That's the main challenge here - not so much costs or margin.

[tuna quesadilla]

It IS illegal to "get" hicap magazines in California. You can't buy them, you can't make them, you can't import them, and you cannot even inherit them from family members upon death. You either have them and have had them for 12 years, or you don't.

-W

No.

[kotton]

Since I'm new to the AR platform, and not old enough to have any pre-ban magazines for it, it really doesnt make sense to have a featureless rifle for me. The fact that I dont compete or ever plan to compete with it also adds to that thought. The adjustable stock is more valuable to me since I'm 5'11 and the little lady friend that shoots with me is 5'2.

letting go of the grip, grabbing a tool, canting the rifle to find the hole, dropping the mag, setting the tool down, and regripping the rifles

That may seem like a lot when you type it all out, but in reality that takes all of 5 seconds.

No.

Can you please post us some links to buy some 10+ mags for all of us that dont have pre-ban hi caps? If you do then I might think about converting it later on down the road.

I'm guessing the answer is "No."

Also I dont know what kind of SHTF scenarios you guys are planning for, but if we are talking a home invasion of some sort, the last thing I want to grab is a 31+" rifle in the middle of the night to carry through doors and hallways. Thats what the ol sock drawer 1911 is for.

If we are talking about our friends in North Korea or China coming in with a full blown invasion, then I probably have 5 mins to spare to put the original mag release button back on. Although even then I dont know if I would want to be the only guy in my neighborhood taking pot shots at an entire army, drawing attention to myself and family.

[tuna quesadilla]

Can you please post us some links to buy some 10+ mags for all of us that dont have pre-ban hi caps? If you do then I might think about converting it later on down the road.

I'm guessing the answer is "No."

Doesn't work like that.

[Merc1138]

That may seem like a lot when you type it all out, but in reality that takes all of 5 seconds.

And it takes all of half a second to press a working mag release. Plus I don't need to keep a tool with me.

If you think that seems like a lot when typed out, add a double feed and jammed magazine to that scenario(the 2nd round can wedge itself against the feed lips, receiver wall, and bolt). Plus, you do realize that you can use a featureless build with 10 round mags and have a working magazine release, right? Featureless isn't entirely just for the sake of using >10rd mags.

[kotton]

You can't buy them, you can't make them, you can't import them, and you cannot even inherit them from family members upon death. You either have them and have had them for 12 years, or you don't.

-W

No.

Can you please post us some links to buy some 10+ mags for all of us that dont have pre-ban hi caps?

Doesn't work like that.

[Merc1138]

If you can't figure out how someone might have acquired a large capacity magazine without manufacturing, importing, or purchasing it, we can't help you(or give you any ideas for a silly excuse to explain how you got them). It does happen. Not to mention, there are people who can indeed buy large capacity magazines(LEO being one example)

[tuna quesadilla]

If you can't figure out how someone might have acquired a large capacity magazine without manufacturing, importing, or purchasing it, we can't help you(or give you any ideas for a silly excuse to explain how you got them). It does happen. Not to mention, there are people who can indeed buy large capacity magazines(LEO being one example)

Exactly. Do your due diligence, kotton.

[ZX-10R]

Why does no one manufacture a ready made featureless AR that can use high capacity magazines straight out of the box. I would think lots of people would want such a rifle instead of something like a Keltec.

You ever leave CA and see a featureless? They are frowned on and laughed at. THAT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT...To butcher it is to slight all those who do not want their guns looking like a CA mockery.

Seriously some of you need to get out of the rocks you are in and just go shooting outside of CA so you understand why featureless is a mockery.

[Merc1138]

You ever leave CA and see a featureless? They are frowned on and laughed at. THAT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT...To butcher it is to slight all those who do not want their guns looking like a CA mockery.

Seriously some of you need to get out of the rocks you are in and just go shooting outside of CA so you understand why featureless is a mockery.

Because bullet buttons are loved by the guys over at arfcom, right?

[kotton]

If you can't figure out how someone might have acquired a large capacity magazine without manufacturing, importing, or purchasing it, we can't help you(or give you any ideas for a silly excuse to explain how you got them). It does happen. Not to mention, there are people who can indeed buy large capacity magazines(LEO being one example)

Exactly. Do your due diligence, kotton.

So in reference to the OP wanting to know why shops dont carry a readymade featureless rifle.

I walk into the store interested in buying an AR. The store has a goofy looking one, with a pinned stock and a funny looking grip with a MB on the front.

So I ask what reason would I have to purchase that instead of a BB AR? The reasoning is that I could shave a few seconds off my mag reloads while loosing stock adjustability, and if I did some "due diligence" , I might be able to figure out "how someone might acquired a large capacity magazine without manufacturing, importing, or purchasing it"?

It seems like a niche of a niche, which is probably why you never see readymade featureless AR's.

[tuna quesadilla]

So in reference to the OP wanting to know why shops dont carry a readymade featureless rifle.

I walk into the store interested in buying an AR. The store has a goofy looking one, with a pinned stock and a funny looking grip with a MB on the front.

So I ask what reason would I have to purchase that instead of a BB AR? The reasoning is that I could shave a few seconds off my mag reloads while loosing stock adjustability, and if I did some "due diligence" , I might be able to figure out "how someone might acquired a large capacity magazine without manufacturing, importing, or purchasing it"?

It seems like a niche of a niche, which is probably why you never see readymade featureless AR's.

You still don't seem to fully understand the laws regarding standard-capacity magazines, but yes, featureless is definitely a very niche thing. I was never arguing otherwise.

[Merc1138]

So in reference to the OP wanting to know why shops dont carry a readymade featureless rifle.

I walk into the store interested in buying an AR. The store has a goofy looking one, with a pinned stock and a funny looking grip with a MB on the front.

So I ask what reason would I have to purchase that instead of a BB AR, and the reasoning is that I could shave a few seconds off my mag reloads while loosing stock adjustability, and if I did some "due diligence" , it I might be able to figure out "how someone might acquired a large capacity magazine without manufacturing, importing, or purchasing it"?

It seems like a niche of a niche, which is probably why you never see readymade featureless AR's.

So then why do shops here sell kel-tec SU-16CAs and Benelli MR1s with a "traditional" stock? I'm also not sure why you seem to think that a muzzle brake is somehow a negative(what are you doing that a flash hider is required?) when people go out of their way to put brakes on rifles.

It's also kind of funny to think you "need" a collapsible stock that you'll most likely leave at one position except to maybe get the rifle shorter to fit into a bag.

Why? Because it's an option, and a perfectly reasonable one considering the screwed up laws in this state. The rifle may look funny, but at least it's not crippled.