AR rifle with detachable magazines & pistol grip - any guesses ?

[TacFan]

Count me in for one, what is the ETA?

You're second in line after me

[4 Brigada]

i am confused. whats wrong with using a rimfire kit in a ar with sb23 features?

Same here, apparently there is an issue on what constitutes the real caliber of the rifle, some argue that the .223/5.56 chamber determines the caliber regardless of the bolt/magazine combination configuration. So that argument supports that you need a dedicated .22 chambered barrel to have the sb23 features. The other is if you have a conversion kit installed and do not have in the rifle the 5.56/.223 parts to be able to fire that round that the rifle is a .22lr and can have the sb23 features.

Edited later

there is a post about a ptr/hk .22 conversion kit that meandered into the AR subject, wish I knew how to link it

[6litespeed9]

I am in

Would like to get one to play-please let me know the ETA

[tombinghamthegreat]

I will see it at the gun show

[SFV_Dealer]

Glad to know we have interest in this new rimfire AR platform rifle! Great for the Christmas stocking stuffer or for those that want to play with ammunition that is a fraction of 5.56mm ammunition these days.
For training these are the best because they mimic a centerfire rifle.

We will have a video on the performance using a variety of 22LR ammunition including subsonic, match, varmint, and hypervelocity of different grain weight bullets! Watch my website for a video link very shortly!

The picture of the prototype .22LR rifle you see will be on the video, but the actual production rifle will sport these features standard:

16" upper with a true .221" barrel dedicated for 22LR use (not the cheap way converting a .223" barrel into .22 by using a sleeve!
The upper will have the standard CAR heatshielded handguards, front A2 post, and a flatop rear for your sights. Complete with bolt carrier group and gray 30/10 rd .22LR magazine that looks like an AR15 magazine.
The lower will be a Sabre Defence XR15 marked "22 CAL RIMFIRE" so there is no mistake that this is a legal detachable magazine rifle.

This will be true .22LR rimfire dedicated rifle.

100 units are up for production. The lowers will be ready in 2 weeks. The uppers are 3-4 weeks away. What everyone is asking: PRICE = less than a 5.56mm AR around the $850 mark!!!

[MrLogan]

Glad to know we have interest in this new rimfire AR platform rifle! Great for the Christmas stocking stuffer or for those that want to play with ammunition that is a fraction of 5.56mm ammunition these days.
For training these are the best because they mimic a centerfire rifle.

We will have a video on the performance using a variety of 22LR ammunition including subsonic, match, varmint, and hypervelocity of different grain weight bullets! Watch my website for a video link very shortly!

The picture of the prototype .22LR rifle you see will be on the video, but the actual production rifle will sport these features standard:

16" upper with a true .221" barrel dedicated for 22LR use (not the cheap way converting a .223" barrel into .22 by using a sleeve!
The upper will have the standard CAR heatshielded handguards, front A2 post, and a flatop rear for your sights. Complete with bolt carrier group and gray 30/10 rd .22LR magazine that looks like an AR15 magazine.
The lower will be a Sabre Defence XR15 marked "22 CAL RIMFIRE" so there is no mistake that this is a legal detachable magazine rifle.

This will be true .22LR rimfire dedicated rifle.

100 units are up for production. The lowers will be ready in 2 weeks. The uppers are 3-4 weeks away. What everyone is asking: PRICE = less than a 5.56mm AR around the $850 mark!!!

Hell yeah! Count me in for one.

[maurice05]

ONCE THE FIRST HUNDRED ARE GONE ANY PLANS ON HAVING MORE MADE THIS IS JUST A BAD TIME OF FOR ME TO SPEND $900 IM SURE MY KIDS WOULD HATE ME ON CHRISTMAS MORNING EVEN THOUGH I DID TELL MY OLDEST DAUGHTER I WOULD GET HER A RIFLE SHE CAN USE. DAMN I NEED LAY-AWAY

[sloguy]

ill ask again. why cant we just spend a few hundred for a rimfire kit for our existing oll rifles?

[sloguy]

asking yet again, whats the difference from a legal standpoint of using a rimfire kit compared to this?

[NeoWeird]

He already answered your question if you would just take the time to actually read and comprehend instead of just reading through (unless you don't understand the mechanics of firearms enough to understand what he is saying and why it is pertinent).

With conversion kits there are several major problems that arise. First they are usually ammo sensitive - he already mentioned they are using everything from subsonic to hyper veloctiy ammo (pretty much the range of all .22 ammo outside of a few special exceptions - like Colibri). Another problem is the bore diameter is larger on a 5.56/.223 than on a .22LR - he already said the bore diameter is the proper .221 instead of the .223 on most ARs. Also, 5.56/.223 barrels usually have a much too fast twist ratee - usually 1:7 to 1:9 where as most common .22LR ammo needs a 1:16 twist rate to properly stabilze in the air. It also won't have a gas port to gum up with lead shavings/fouling and will be marked as rimfire on all major parts for those people who want to be extra cautious. Also, this is IMPOSSIBLE to chamber 5.56/.223 ammo, so even if they drop your unit out and throw in a spare from their department no Cop/Sheriff will be able to chamber a centerfire round.

So you have a more accurate rifle that's less prone to failure with a broader range of ammo types without having to muck up and possibly damage your higher performance rifle.

I figure with the CTR stock, railed forend (even if it is a cheaper variant), Sabre Defense lower, custom work/fabrication, etc. I'd estimate that the rifle is probably going to start in the $1.2k range +/- $200.

[sloguy]

He already answered your question if you would just take the time to actually read and comprehend instead of just reading through (unless you don't understand the mechanics of firearms enough to understand what he is saying and why it is pertinent).

With conversion kits there are several major problems that arise. First they are usually ammo sensitive - he already mentioned they are using everything from subsonic to hyper veloctiy ammo (pretty much the range of all .22 ammo outside of a few special exceptions - like Colibri). Another problem is the bore diameter is larger on a 5.56/.223 than on a .22LR - he already said the bore diameter is the proper .221 instead of the .223 on most ARs. Also, 5.56/.223 barrels usually have a much too fast twist ratee - usually 1:7 to 1:9 where as most common .22LR ammo needs a 1:16 twist rate to properly stabilze in the air. It also won't have a gas port to gum up with lead shavings/fouling and will be marked as rimfire on all major parts for those people who want to be extra cautious. Also, this is IMPOSSIBLE to chamber 5.56/.223 ammo, so even if they drop your unit out and throw in a spare from their department no Cop/Sheriff will be able to chamber a centerfire round.

So you have a more accurate rifle that's less prone to failure with a broader range of ammo types without having to muck up and possibly damage your higher performance rifle.

I figure with the CTR stock, railed forend (even if it is a cheaper variant), Sabre Defense lower, custom work/fabrication, etc. I'd estimate that the rifle is probably going to start in the $1.2k range +/- $200.

thank you for actually answering the question.

im not questioning if the product is better, i am asking why there is somthing wrong legally with using a rimfire kit with a detachable magazine. the reason you give for why not is because a cop can break the law and frame you?

so, from that standpoint, wouldnt the use of a bullet button remedy that possibility?

[grammaton76]

Eh, last year I installed a dedicated 22LR upper on my AR, as did a lot of other Calgunners. I don't quite get why folks are acting like this is some new discovery. The rifle here is considerably better than using a Ceiner kit though. As for dedicated 22LR uppers... DPMS has one, there's a CZ V-22 upper out there, and I'm pretty sure there's some other manufacturers too.

[Sydwaiz]

Need one in .22 magnum or .17 hmr.

[DedEye]

This is a pretty cool rifle. JJPerl and I saw it at the Ventura Funshow and when I was looking at it I noticed the mag release wasn't a bullet button or Prince50. Curious, I pressed the button and nearly shat myself when the mag dropped free. We looked at each other then I looked at the mag and realized I was holding this gun (I didn't realize I was at Metroshot's table).

Personally I'm gonna go with a Spike's dedicated .22 upper so I can use my preban Ceiner mags, but if you don't own any hi capacity .22 magazines and want to go with an evil looking .22, you can do worse than this rifle .

[River Jack]

I'll shell out for one of these! Is there a waiting list? Can we ask for custom serial #s?

RJ