PDW in CA ... any options?

[chead]

Franklin XO-26b, Draco/mini Draco. HK and clones.

[starsnuffer]

If only we could do SBR and silencers in this state:



-W

[Untamed1972]

AR pistol seems like the way to go, im just wondering if there is anything else out there. Im also considering a bulpup type design, but I still think it might be too long...

Caliber wise I would pick something I would actually buy/shoot often. I'm a fan of standardization, and I have a lot of 5.56 and 9mm. .40 seems like better round for a AR pistol tho.

6.8 sounds good, but I think I wouldn't use it as much due to ammo costs.

Even a bullpup design has to meet min. barrel and OAL length requirements....which essentially ends up being the same length as an AR rifle with 16" barrel and collapsed stock.

[TheExpertish]

So Gads are you appointted as investigator ? LEO is here to catch all who want PDWs for ????

Yeah, you know me.

Draco, FAL, there are many to choose from. I'd love me an MP7.

[santacruzstefan]

If only we could do SBR and silencers in this state:



-W

i want whatever this is

[Peter.Steele]

If only we could do SBR and silencers in this state:



-W

Honey badger don't give a ****.

[luchador768]

For what it's worth my FS2000 is only about 2-3 inches longer than my 11.5 AR pistol. It's been a great rifle so far.

[Inquirer]

Yoink!

Draco AOW. Good ballistic performance out of that barrel length, compact, cheap to shoot. Punch holes in things.

--Inq

[scootle]

I know there are CA-legal FN PS90s out there, but that's more like rifle than PDW, I suppose.

[wash]

If you don't mind the mag lock, someone makes an 80% streched 10-22 receiver that you can make a .22 magnum charger out of.

There are Uzi pistols, CZ Scorpions, MP5 pistols, etc.

[Lagduf]

Yoink!

Draco AOW. Good ballistic performance out of that barrel length, compact, cheap to shoot. Punch holes in things.

--Inq

I agree with this. Draco AOW or an AMD65 AOW.

[TheExpertish]

Honey badger don't give a ****.

I was waiting for that, haha. Honey Badger just takes what it wants.

[Bhobbs]

M-1 Carbine.
The US Militaries first PDW.

This.

Light, compact and decent performance.

[jrr]

M1 Carbine all the way. It was in fact developed SPECIFICALLY as a PDW for rear echelon troops and staff. The fact that it was so awesome that it saw widespread use as a front line weapon is just gravy.

The cartridge: .30M1 Carbine- not too expensive, similar to .223 prices. With soft point ammo you get performance equal or better than .357 magnum. Also, don't believe everything you read on the interwebs. Do your research and you'll find that the claims that is was "underpowered" have more to do with comparing it to a full rifle cartridge like the 30-06. Sure, if you're used to a gun that can shoot through a cinderblock wall or a ten inch thick tree, the carbine seems wimpy. For anti-personnel its awesome.

The gun: The carbine is light, short, and maneuverable. No bullet buttons here! Mags might be your only problem, unless you bought some before the ban. The ten rounders are a little iffy, but serviceable from what I hear. The GI 15 rounders are the best for reliability.

Controls are simple and straightforward. Flip a lever for the safety, push a button to drop the mag. Pull back that giant piece of steel sticking out the side to load. So simple a caveman or a GI could do it.

The sights are typical WWII GI style post and aperture. Adjustable. Great sight picture, very intuitive and easy to use. And for real fun you can put an ultimak scout mount on it and throw an aimpoint on it. Thats how mine is set up, probably the most fun gun I have.

Finally, it looks pretty harmless. It has a wood stock. Its small, kinda looks like it might be a .22. If you ever get hauled in front of a jury for shooting a burgler, I'd rather have them see that than a tacticool'd out AR15, or god forbid a Draco Pistol. An ignorant CA jury would probably poop their pants if they saw the DA pull out a Draco. Just one more thing to consider.

So.. theres my vote! Good hunting. Speaking of which... you can also hunt with an M1 Carbine for light game like whitetail.

[grommit666]

To the OP, I'm currently drooling over the RRA PDS pistol too. Though, I must admit, it's hard to justify when you can get a Kel-Tec PLR 16 for half the price. But it doesn't matter much for me since I'm unlikely to buy either anytime soon.