my ar finally jammed...

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Best post; semantics are important.

Sometimes, sometimes...

[Poppy83]

Bear ammo is better and less dirty than Wolf, and generally the same price. I only shoot brown and silver bear out of mine without problems

Same. I only shoot Silver Bear out my my DPMS and I have had zero issues. I'm close to done with my other AR and even though I know the Silver Bear works well, I can't bring myself to order anything but brass for it.

[andrewak47]

Maybe it's my luck but I went through about 500 rounds of Wolf, and match grade ammo this past Sunday and she was good. Mind you, that day was the first day after putting her together throughout last week. I know the first 250 rounds were all Wolf. Then after that I shot all match grades in 223 and 556. I didn't do any break in method. I just filled her up and shot her down. Nevertheless, get her cleaned up and you should be g2g.

P.S My WASR will eat Wolf ammo all day and laugh at your jammed up firearms. Don't blame it on ammo. I sincerely think it's your firearm that just plain suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. Now my AR15 is eating Wolf ammo too. It's too early to say but I feel that she will be fine. I clean my firearms very very slow and clean every crack meticulously. I love my firearms but I just can't bare to baby it if you clean it properly.

[chesterthehero]

It depends on what you're training for. Not everybody cares about shooting sub-moa from a bench, myself included. I train to makes hits, rapidly, from multiple positions, with rapid reloads, and malfunction clearing incorporated into my shooting. For such shooting, wolf fits the bill. Especially since my ammo budget is around $200/mo, and i have not started reloading .223 YET. To each his/her own. I like brass just as much as the next guy, but I like putting rounds downrange more.

thats exactly how i feel about it.. irons out to 200 yards on a torso sized target makes me happy..

[stormy_clothing]

uhhh yea for laziness ?

[oakiepokie]

Actually steel does the same as brass. Just the components used are dirtier. All my Tula/Wolf/Harter's steel case I pick up is clean. Only dirty thing is other carbon buildup that touches the brass/steel as it comes out.

WIKIPEDIA - Cartridge (firearms)
..."Brass is a commonly used material, as it is resistant to corrosion and ductile enough to be reformed and reloaded several times. However, some low-quality "plinking" ammunition, as well as some military ammunition (mainly from the former Soviet Union and China) is made with steel cases because steel is less expensive than brass. As militaries typically consider small arms cartridge cases to be a disposable, one-time-use affair, the lack of ductility is inconsequential for this application, although the mass of the case affects how much ammunition a soldier can carry. One downside caused by the lack of ductility is that a layer of carbon soot can blow around the steel case into the chamber and make extraction of rounds difficult."...

Ductility is a mechanical property that describes the extent in which solid materials can be plastically deformed without fracture.

[Merc1138]

I have been shooting wolf ammo for a long long time...my go to upper has somewhere around 15,000 plus rounds through a colt upper and a noveske 16 barrel........never had a stuck case ..not one...soft primer hits once in a while because I have reduced power hammer springs.....and I only clean it once in a while when there isn't a match the coming weekend....which may be as much as 2-3 thousand rounds..... I recently rebarrelled it with another noveske....maybe around 16k+...because it was starting to keyhole....and the holes became round again....all wolf

all this crap about crappy ammo....sounds like you have perfect ar's....think about this......there are a gazillion ar's out there with different components made from another gazillion different manufacturers.....and I'll bet that the internal measurements ...chamber, headspace. throat etc are all over the place....no standard piece of gear....so how can you arbitrarily blame it on the ammo...just might be YOUR gun that is a crappy pos because of the mix of components.......but the ammo is from ONE manufacturer.

my $.02

Wait, you claim it might be due to a mix of parts, yet you're running mixed components(hell of a logic fail) and I'm not(CMMG upper and BCG) so... yeah(watch, now I'm gonna get lectured about "the chart"). I'm pretty sure it's the crappy ammo.

It's funny, the one time it happened to me, I pocketed the casing after and it's been rolling around on my desk since. Pardon the crappy angle(which is why the month is cut off from the date), but I couldn't find my camera(used the phone) and had to use a flashlight to illuminate it enough since this phone has no macro mode. However it will be quite obvious that the rim was ripped right off of the shell, and certainly not due to a crappy extractor. It was the crappy tula ammo.

ETA: I forgot, 2 things. The chamber had been cleaned about 80 rounds prior(so it was hardly a matter of the chamber being gunked up, and it still wasn't after), and the case is only that dirty because it's been rolling around on my mess of a desk for months.

[racky]

so... yeah(watch, now I'm gonna get lectured about "the chart"). I'm pretty sure it's the crappy ammo.

the chart is for mall ninjas trying to be "mil-spec." screw that chart. go with what works.

[oakiepokie]

the chart is for mall ninjas trying to be "mil-spec." screw that chart. go with what works.

...and how do you expect the average civilian to know what works? Care to enlighten us?

[racky]

mil-spec = lowest bidder

[oakiepokie]

yup mil-spec vs no-spec...
betcha many don't know there are India made parts out there...

[Nathan Krynn]

mil-spec = lowest bidder

That's not actually true.

I can say that the charts from what I have seen are FUBAR.

[goodlookin1]

well i bought a stag arms model 8 about 6 months ago, have put nearly 1k of russian crap ammo through it without cleaning and well it jammed. went to panoche the other day and started blowing though rounds. then the jam occured. the extractor broke off the some of the casing. i tired getting it out gently with a knife but no dice, then had to pretty much ram that bastard out with a cleaning rod. when i got it out the case was pretty mangled. never thought it would jam but it did

It's not piston driven.....of course it jammed up!

[6mmintl]