Finger tip bullet button tool?...

[IrishPirate]

legal and the idea was stolen from me.......just because they were making it before i thought of it doesn't mean it was their idea....

[Fate]

Diversionary tactics. The bullet button is based on the penal code. "G-pik = tool" belief has no such solid footing.

But it's easy to see you're immovable.

So I guess it's time you go your way, I'll go mine.

[chavez27]

Went to a gun show last weekend and found some guy selling a little plastic cover that goes over the bullten button and is held on with a little magnet. all you have to do is push on it..... so what then...........

[SamsDX]

You can try and shout me down all you wish, but you cannot PROVE my concerns are 100% without merit. Show me case law. Show me solid definition in the PC. You can't. Get arrested, charged, and tried over this and there IS some risk that things will go sideways. You're dealing with an imperfect justice system and wholly at its mercy at that point.

I don't dispute your point that there is some risk with using this tool, but is there case law or other statutory basis that would make the use of a bullet button with a different tool decidedly less risky? It's my understanding that the bullet button has not been specifically authorized by statute or by case law, and was merely mentioned with reluctant approval in some DOJ letter. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

As you say, though, I think an aggressive DA would be more inclined to prosecute someone who uses this type of device over someone who uses more conventional tools, but I would think he/she would be pursuing such a case with the ultimate end goal of outlawing the entire class of "bullet buttons." Because of its widespread acceptance and use, however, I'm not sure a court would be willing to go that far. There would be a chance that bullet buttons will be judicially approved (a result that may not be palatable to a DA), with only the contours of what is deemed a "tool" being decided. Again, I understand that the general issue of bullet buttons is still undecided, and the State may prefer it that way because it's keeping everyone on their toes (as proven in this series of posts as well as many, many others here).

[aplinker]

A prosthetic is a tool. No doctor would ever define a prosthetic as part of a person - nor would someone using one. Because it replaces the function doesn't mean it replaces that body part.

Merriam Webster is hardly the basis for any technical discussion - which legal issues are.

Tools are defined VERY broadly - that a bullet tip is listed doesn't make the list exhaustive. It's meant to show an example of how just about anything can be defined as a tool.

Lastly, you're asking for far too much. You can NEVER prove a negative. Beyond a reasonable doubt is all we need.

Merriam Webster defines it as such: an artificial device to replace or augment a missing or impaired part of the body.

One could argue that the use of the finger (in working ability terms) was "impaired" when the bullet button was added. Thus the finger that activates the mag release button no longer works "as normal" nor can it operate the button normally. The g-pik serves as a prosthesis which then returns full functionality to that finger to press and release a fixed magazine. It is not a bullet which must be held between the finger and thumb. It is not a screwdriver or other hand tool. It is "a device, either external or implanted, that substitutes for or supplements a missing or defective part of the body. " Is it still a tool at that point? Maybe yes. Maybe no. Willing to play for keeps in court over it?

Yes, the above argument is very twisted and tortured logic. However, this is exactly the kind of thing that is fed to a jury. And sometimes they buy it. I'd rather stick to things that have penal code foundations. The g-pik + fixed mag has none.

You can try and shout me down all you wish, but you cannot PROVE my concerns are 100% without merit. Show me case law. Show me solid definition in the PC. You can't. Get arrested, charged, and tried over this and there IS some risk that things will go sideways. You're dealing with an imperfect justice system and wholly at its mercy at that point.

So weigh the concerns, make up your own mind as to what level of risk you are willing to live with. If you believe it's clearly a tool, then use it. I won't stop you or tell you you're wrong.

[Josh3239]

Went to a gun show last weekend and found some guy selling a little plastic cover that goes over the bullten button and is held on with a little magnet. all you have to do is push on it..... so what then...........

Just because it has a bullet button on it doesn't make it legal, it is what the bullet button does is what makes it legal. What that tool did was cancel out what the bullet button did, it operates the exact same way as a regular release. That tool was originally designed for out of state usage, but in typical California fashion, idiots eff'd that idea up.

[unamused]

if you get hassled by the rangers, police, etc... just whip out your phone and start using the gpick for what it was originally designed for!

[Seagrave7]

I know this is an old thread, but shark92651 nice to see you selling something similar to the GPIK (http://www.riflegear.com/p-1210-fing...ease-tool.aspx). How does the Finger-Tip Mag Release compare to the GPIK?

[2shotjoe]

I got a BB finger tool that came with my AK BB, it is velcro with a pin sticking out. When I get home i'll try to find it.

[shark92651]

I know this is an old thread, but shark92651 nice to see you selling something similar to the GPIK (http://www.riflegear.com/p-1210-fing...ease-tool.aspx). How does the Finger-Tip Mag Release compare to the GPIK?

It is a GPik. We named the product the way we did for search engine optimization.

[MongooseV8]

Legal or not, it looks rather uncomfortable. Im going to pass.

[tacticalcity]

What do you guys think of this doohickey? Would this be Ca compliant? http://www.parallaxtactical.com/stor...black-378.html

Been around for a while. It is actually a PDA Stylis. You can buy them in bulk.

It's OK. Works best on your trigger finger, which interfears a little with the trigger pull. So on really long distance precision ARs not so much. But for plinking it works great. Kinda works good for a course, except they get knocked off your hand a lot. So bring a boat load of them. Because you'll loose a few.