Model 1 sales

[Lateralus]

ive been hearing alot of bad things about them. they seem to run good uppers, can anyone offer more in depth opinions on why they are hated so much?

[xenophobe]

Search is your friend.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=38982

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=31418

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=31171

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=34356

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=19375

[cornholio1]

I've had luck with them. Customer service sucks tho. They won't warranty if you use Wolf Ammo. I'd go with them again as long as I don't have to take things back

[blkA4alb]

I've had luck with them. Customer service sucks tho. They won't warranty if you use Wolf Ammo. I'd go with them again as long as I don't have to take things back

There are a lot of companies that will void the warranty if you use Wolf. I found their customer service to be great and very helpful.

OP: You can see my opinions in the threads that xenophobe gave you. I am very happy with my upper and it is shooting great. However, I would not order a LPK or carbine upper from them. Stick to a top tier company for those, I will be.

[thmpr]

I have a good friend who has an Model1sale upper and it shoots great.

[guimus]

I got my first build kit from Model 1. Nothing wrong with the stock, the upper performs flawlessly. The LPK isn't the best, though. I had to do some trimming on a few parts to make it work well.

[Patriot]

Search is your friend.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=38982

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=31418

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=31171

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=34356

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=19375

Lol, you have a good point, but that sounded SO THR-esque. Not that there's anything wrong with THR....

[shinigami]

I got the 24" Tactical upper from them, I love it, it's a tack driver. Although it's got some play with my Ameetec lower but I shot it for the first time last week and I placed 5 shots in a very tight group @ 100 yards (It fits in a quarter) could not replicate it afterwards, and I'm a bad shot with very bad flinch sometimes. I just bought an Accu-wedge and I'll shoot it again this weekend.

I love the supposedly E.R. Shaw barrel, it's fluted, the upper receiver matches the shade of my lower so it's cool.

I'll take a photo of the target next time I go to the range.

Customer service is okay, would not reply on my emails, but somebody always answers the phone when I call anyway.

They shipped my upper in about 5 days after I ordered it.

my 2 centavos.

[Scotto]

.....They won't warranty if you use Wolf Ammo......

?is there any way to prove that you used wolf ammo?

[blkA4alb]

?is there any way to prove that you used wolf ammo?

Steel cased ammo will wear the extractor very quickly. That is considered normal use and won't be covered under almost any warranty. They don't want people calling in about their worn extractor because they used Wolf.

[bwiese]

Steel cased ammo will wear the extractor very quickly. That is considered normal use and won't be covered under almost any warranty. They don't want people calling in about their worn extractor because they used Wolf.

A bit of a legend.

The "steel" in Wolf ammo is very soft - not much harder than pig iron.

It may indeed wear the extractor, but I'll bet that a quality extractor is good for 5000+ rounds or more. I know mine are, and I've seen no appreciable wear on them, and some of my guns have 7,500ish rounds.

[blkA4alb]

A bit of a legend.

The "steel" in Wolf ammo is very soft - not much harder than pig iron.

It may indeed wear the extractor, but I'll bet that a quality extractor is good for 5000+ rounds or more. I know mine are, and I've seen no appreciable wear on them, and some of my guns have 7,500ish rounds.

I don't have any personal experience with using Wolf in a pistol or AR, Wolf is all I put through my SKS though. That is just what I had read from many people saying how after just 500 rounds they could clearly see their extractor being worn.

It would be interesting to see a controlled test be done.

[Joe]

i am completely happy with my model1 20" varmint upper. it has worked flawlessly and is very accurate. the LPK is pretty crappy though, i would never buy another model1 LPK

[MrLogan]

In one of the other threads that was listed in this thread, xenophone states that these companies are:
Tier1: Colt, FN, LMT
Tier2: (most companies fit here) Bushmaster, Armalite, CMMG, BCM, etc..
Tier3: Model 1, DPMS, Nesard, and other misc companies which use a combination of spec and commercial parts, as well as other possible slight out of spec rejects and factory seconds...

What differentiates a tier 1 company from a tier 2 company? And why is Bushmaster considered a tier 2 company?

[bwiese]

In one of the other threads ... Xenophone states that these companies are:
Tier1: Colt, FN, LMT
Tier2: (most companies fit here) Bushmaster, Armalite, CMMG, BCM, etc..
Tier3: Model 1, DPMS, Nesard, and other misc companies...

What differentiates a tier 1 company from a tier 2 company?
And why is Bushmaster considered a tier 2 company?

This is an informal personal scoring but I generally agree.

Well, Tier 1s do full testing - including things like proof load/MPI testing of all barrels (not just a statistical sample) and peening/MPI of bolts.

Bushmaster - while generally pretty good - has some shortcuts. For example: - Bushmaster barrels are not parkerized under the front sight base.
- Bushy bbls are apparently not all proofed/MPI tested, just random samples
- Bushy uses A2 front sight base instead of the "F"-marked front sight base
used for flattops.
- Bolts are apparently not peened, and may only be sample-MPI'd.

From what I hear of BravoCompanyUSA, they'd have to be Tier1 grade, but they're small/"boutique" and not high volume so that may be why xeno put it Tier2. CMMG, I think, is similar - and their barrels are known for accuracy.
Armalite is top-notch on quality, but they have their own way of doing things sometimes (perhaps rational) - and many of their barrels are 4140, not 4150.

If you have true FN parts it's unlikely they came thru normal channels, and there's a chance they could be seconds. FN does not sell into the 'commercial' channel.

Many vendors say they use "FN parts". They're really stretching things: they're buying some stuff from the same vendors FN uses, but the finish & testing FN does hasn't happened. And Colt and Armalite etc buy from the same forges too.. These are usu the same companies that really tout their 'chrome moly' barrels like it's something special (it's just regular barrel steel) in an attempt to confuse newbies with 'chrome lined'.