14.5 barreled uppers legal to ship to CA?

[dfletcher]

Im gonna assume your talking about a 14.5 AR-15 (Not 308) upper.

If the two can not go together and make a SBR then you are not in contructive possesion. Keep in mind its not just complete uppers. Don't have a 12' 308 AR barrell laying around unless you have a 308 ar lower DROS's as a pistol.

Unless you have a roll of duct tape around the house - I believe with duct tape you can be hit with constructive possession on an AK lower and 1 1911 slide .....

Here's a fairly well known bit on a fellow and SBR issue.

http://blog.princelaw.com/2009/9/1/florida-man-arrested-for-constructive-possession-of-an-sbr

[ar15barrels]

Off topic: So you can do this at less that 4500 rpm? I don't see the tach needle in the pic.

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At 110mph in 4th gear, it's running around 3800rpm.
In 1st gear, the motor wraps up to 6500 before the valves float.
If you just put it in drive and mash he throttle, it shifts 1st-2nd at 6200rpm on it's own.

I just rolled 197,000 miles this week and she still purrs like a kitten.

[Marlin Hunter]

From what I can remember, anything between 12 and 16 inches can bring you unwanted attention. I think a pistol barrel has to be shorter than 12 inches and a rifle barrel needs to be longer then 16 inches. I do not know if a 14.5" barrel by itself would be illegal. I would guess that if you had the 14.5 barrel and all the other parts to make a complete gun (pistol or rifle), you would be asking for trouble.

[dfletcher]

From what I can remember, anything between 12 and 16 inches can bring you unwanted attention. I think a pistol barrel has to be shorter than 12 inches and a rifle barrel needs to be longer then 16 inches. I do not know if a 14.5" barrel by itself would be illegal. I would guess that if you had the 14.5 barrel and all the other parts to make a complete gun (pistol or rifle), you would be asking for trouble.

A pistol barrel can be as long or as short as anyone likes - no limits up or down.

[ar15barrels]

A pistol barrel can be as long or as short as anyone likes - no limits up or down.

There is a 6" minimum pistol barrel length IF you are using the single shot exemption to the roster.
After DROS, there's no length limits though.

[AR-15 Rep]

OK... Technically if you own a AR-15 lower, that has a buttstock attatched it is considered a rifle, and you can not have a less than 16" barrel unless you have the tax stamp and registered as a SBR. If you have a AR-15 lower and do not have a buttstock or aything considered to be a buttstock, it is then considered to be a pistol thus any length barrel can be installed. Remember if you install a rifle upper and buttstock on a lower receiver it is then considered to be a rifle and can not be interchanged with a pistol setup anytime after. If you have a pistol setup and install it on a lower it is then considered a pistol and can not accept a rifle setup anytime after.
In short if you own one lower and have a pistol setup ( pistol tube installed ) you can have any length barrel.

Typically most pistol setups are 11.5" and shorter.
The 14.5" barrel is assumed to be a rifle setup and that is why most require proof of the SBR registration prior to shipping or perm attatch of the brake or hider before shipping. There are some that will send the 14.5" to a FFL holder for perm attatch brake or hider, and technically it can be considered a pistol setup, but (almost) all are going to be a rifle with a buttstock and have to be the legal 16" barrel. Most vendors will not send a 14.5" barrel direct to a customer due to liability reasons.
It's kind of like you could buy M-16 lower parts at a gun show, no problem, and they make great wall ornaments, but once you own a lower receiver, then you show intent to build a NFA item.

[Ak47owner]

he asked if a 14.5 inch barreled upper is legal to ship to cali answer is YES!
he didnt ask if a 14.5 upper, assembled to a lower is legal in cali
nor did has any other question.

[freonr22]

Hey Randall, can you take that same pick in you $200 dodge truck?

[ar15barrels]

Hey Randall, can you take that same pick in you $200 dodge truck?

My $200 FORD Ranger has not broken 90mph yet.
I tried, but that little pinto motor just does not have it in it...

[esskay]

It's a Camry.
I'd say about 75,000 more miles at 110mph.

I've had her to 134 and she feels solid.
That was when she was younger though.
She only had about 165,000 miles at the time.

Nobody has said anything yet, but the cruise control was engaged when we took that picture.
We ran for at least a few minutes at a time, but sometimes you get a slow mover stacked next to a semi truck and there's just no way around them...

heh heh, total thread drift, but ya gotta love the autobahn!!


This was a rental diesel Mercedes, it topped out at about 240km/h (~150mph) with my foot buried in the floorboard...

[NiteQwill]

OK... Technically if you own a AR-15 lower, that has a buttstock attatched it is considered a rifle, and you can not have a less than 16" barrel unless you have the tax stamp and registered as a SBR.

Yes

If you have a AR-15 lower and do not have a buttstock or aything considered to be a buttstock, it is then considered to be a pistol thus any length barrel can be installed.

Federally, lowers are not considered rifles or pistols AFAIK. Outside of California, you can build a lower into a rifle or pistol lower.

If you have a pistol setup and install it on a lower it is then considered a pistol and can not accept a rifle setup anytime after.

Nope, you can go from pistol to rifle... you just can't go backwards. Once a rifle, always a rifle.

In short if you own one lower and have a pistol setup ( pistol tube installed ) you can have any length barrel.

This only applies after DROS. A minimum 6" is required to be exempt from roster status.

Remember, state and federal laws have to be followed. More importantly, California state laws.

[dfletcher]

OK... Technically if you own a AR-15 lower, that has a buttstock attatched it is considered a rifle, and you can not have a less than 16" barrel unless you have the tax stamp and registered as a SBR. If you have a AR-15 lower and do not have a buttstock or aything considered to be a buttstock, it is then considered to be a pistol thus any length barrel can be installed. Remember if you install a rifle upper and buttstock on a lower receiver it is then considered to be a rifle and can not be interchanged with a pistol setup anytime after. If you have a pistol setup and install it on a lower it is then considered a pistol and can not accept a rifle setup anytime after.
In short if you own one lower and have a pistol setup ( pistol tube installed ) you can have any length barrel.

The ATF letter is posted elsewhere here, but (outside CA) a virgin AR receiver with a shoulder stock alone attached is not be a rifle. The ATF letter states that a virgin AR receiver with a shoulder stock attached, that is 4473d as "other" does not become a rifle until a greater than 16" barrel is attached. I realize that due to our DROS set up a shoulder stocked virgin AR receiver will be DROS'd as a rifle, but in other states it would be 4473d as other and (according to ATF) not a rifle until a +16" upper is attached. You could legally remove the buttstock and build a handgun.

So my "just for the heck of it" question would be, if one has (in NV or TX for example) a shoulder stocked virgin AR receiver (4473d as "other") that has never had a +16" upper on it and a 14.5" bbl, does SBR constructive possession apply? The AR receiver, at that point, is not yet a rifle.