now ive started it help me finish it:)

[Mr green]

i have been lurking here for some time, trying to learn as much as i can about Californians laws and what i can legally buy, also trying to figure out whats best ext...ext...well its quite overwhelming a lot of the time i don't know what everyone is talking about with all the abbreviated mixed in with company names which are also abbreviated lol.

well i bought a LBR AR 15, and an Noveske N6 .308 striped lowers yesterday at my local gun shop. now i need to know what brand/type of uppers to get, the AR15 well be used as home protection and also want it to be the best varmet gun as i can get it. the .308 well be home defence/hunting whatever.

the guy at the gun shop had a Armalite upper for the .308 it had a 20" barrel, i was hesitant to get it because 1) i am not knowledgeable enuff on uppers yet to make an informed decision 2) the barrel was not chrome lined and i always here on here that you want chrome lined 3) money restraints. so i was wondering if someone can point me into the right direction on uppers, be it info or what you think is best. thanks any help is much appreciated

[joemama]

Well for the ar-15 I got a cmmg midlength 16" upper and I love it. The only thing is everything is hard to get so good luck. I have the n6 too and I havent found a decent priced part for it in 4 months. The only way to get exactly what you want is to get on the waiting list. If you look on riflegear.com they have noveske .308 uppers that are supposed to arrive in 4 months or so I think. But then again those that come in are probably already spoken for. I bought most of my stuff from that website and they are great to deal with btw.

[Mr green]

maybe it would be easier to say, what should i stay away from? might be a shorter list lol

[RECCE556]

Home Defense and Varmit rigs generally don't go together...

For Home Defense, I'd say a nice REAL Colt M4 (14.5") upper with a Phantom 5C1 would be the way to go (perm. attached of course). The 5C1 will get it just over 16" and the whole setup is shorter than a 16" upper with a standard A2 (by 1/2" or so).

Varmit wise, I think a 18" or 20" would be a little better to get more velocity but a 16" mid-length would be good too if you're not going for long distance.

For the AR10, I would rather build that into a hunting rig...18" or 20" barrel...personally I'd get Noveske barreled AR10 upper over a factory Armalite upper.

And don't settle for low end garbage. Get high quality items (Colt, Noveske, Vltor, BCM, etc.) for your builds...

[badtrout]

how long are the halls in your house? or how much land? i'm not sure an AR should be your first choice for inside. how about handgun or shotgun?

not that having an AR isn't fun/good idea....

[Mr green]

thanks for the help guys, and yes i want quality im not looking for the cheapest thing or first thing i find thats why im trying to educate myself on the best stuff out there which is a daunting task for a beginner with ARs.

Badtrout ya small hallways im afraid but i do have handguns for home protection but i thought this might fit both bills but i guess not. if i had to sacrifice home protection vs. varmint or hunting i would chose hunting since i plan on shooting more varmints than home invaders. so the AR15 for squerals, rockchucks ext... and AR10 for hogs ext.

[badtrout]

thanks for the help guys, and yes i want quality im not looking for the cheapest thing or first thing i find thats why im trying to educate myself on the best stuff out there which is a daunting task for a beginner with ARs.

Badtrout ya small hallways im afraid but i do have handguns for home protection but i thought this might fit both bills but i guess not. if i had to sacrifice home protection vs. varmint or hunting i would chose hunting since i plan on shooting more varmints than home invaders. so the AR15 for squerals, rockchucks ext... and AR10 for hogs ext.

not saying it's a bad idea. an AR is nice for room clearing. i suppose i'd have to get used to reaching for an AR at a groggy 3am

[FMJBT]

What kind of 20" Armalite upper did your local shop have? If it's an AR-10T stainless steel barrel, then the lack of chrome lining isn't a big deal. If you are going for accuracy, the unlined stainless barrels are generally considered to be more accurate than a chrome lined steel barrel. the chrome lined barrel will probably last longer, but most shooters will never fire enough rounds through a rifle to see that.

[Mr green]

not sure the model but ill check with them tomorrow, there closed now

[Mr green]

ok it is a Armalite 20" not chrome lined, railed and railed gas block whatever that means and the model is UE10A4B anyone familiar with that one?

[FMJBT]

ok it is a Armalite 20" not chrome lined, railed and railed gas block whatever that means and the model is UE10A4B anyone familiar with that one?

From what I could find, it looks like that's the standard steel version with non free floated forend. I'd pass on that one personally. It's not complete crap or anything, but there are better options out there if you are willing to put up with the current wait times most vendors have.

[wash]

I'm not sure how much you need a flash hider for home defense. I would go with a 16" or 20" plain barrel. If you don't have a flash hider you can use a monsterman grip or U-15 stock for a featureless build with detachable magazines.

For the .308 if you are only going to use it for hunting, get an 18"+ barrel so that you don't give away too much velocity and choose the contour based on how much weigh you want to carry around. A bullet button won't slow you down very much for hunting so add whatever "evil features" you want.

If you are lazy about cleaning like me, get chrome lined or stainless barrels. Unless you want to shoot competitively in rifle matches chrome lined should be accurate enough.

[Jpach]

I second what FMJBT says about the upper you saw. Keep looking for others. Dont half *** this build. Either wait for a Noveske n6 upper or get someone to build you one. Accurate=nice

[foxracer72]

thanks for the info guys, FIY i an now foxracer72 same name i use on other forums there was a mix up on the registration and somehow Mr green was my name but all is fixed now

ok glad i didnt get it but it brings up another Q what is a non free floated forend? ill try to search for the info. so any other uppers you guys would recommend for the AR15 and AR10, i know on the AR10 i can only put a Noveske, Armalite or eagle arms on my Noveske lower but any upper on the AR15 right?, also i am thinking 20" barrels for both but i really dont know what advantage there is on barrel lengths 14.5 vs 18 vs 20,24 ext.

also what sort of features should i be looking for in an upper that = quality and what makes a crappy upper crappy per say?

[foxracer72]

can the gentleman who PMed about a build please re contact me under my new name. thanks