Gap between featureless grip and stock

[V8MERC124]

Soo then this is ok?

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[peppermintman]

I guess my setup is questionable then? I can put my thumb up through the section above the fin but the web of my hand, between my thumb and index finger, sits above the top portion of the exposed trigger.



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OK will do

[IVC]

I had already posted it up at post #11 but it looks like everyone skipped over it....so I will make it bigger.

You do understand that you're not quoting Penal Code, right? What you have is something else and it's not the law...

[haza12d]

OK om I'm going be serious about your trigger do I see a rubber band do hickiy looking thing ? I never used the work do hicky before so please tell me me if my auto spell is working correctly
What the heck I'd that do hickey on that trigger?

Lol. That Do Hickey is called a HiperShoe. I have the Hipertouch 24C trigger. 👍

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[xxINKxx]

All you molon labers and your funky fins and compliant doo dads.

[baekacaek]

This poses an interesting question. Should legality of something depend on the hand size of a person?
A person with a smaller hand definitely wont be able to wrap his thumb around.
Does that mean this gun is legal for a smaller person while illegal for a bigger person, even though it's the same object?
Another California gun law fail, I suppose

[therealnickb]

This poses an interesting question. Should legality of something depend on the hand size of a person?
A person with a smaller hand definitely wont be able to wrap his thumb around.
Does that mean this gun is legal for a smaller person while illegal for a bigger person, even though it's the same object?
Another California gun law fail, I suppose

Agreed. At this point I'm on hold until we get new regs from DOJ. Most speculation has become useless IMO until they reissue.

[adrenalinejunkie]

Thanks for the responses everyone. I agree that given the verbiage of the law, the webbing of my hand doesn't wrap around. That being said, I don't want to potentially risk having to go through the process and money of explaining that in court because an LEO might not know the specifics of the law. Just like the AR Maglock / Patriot Mag release debate. Not interested in being the guinea pig. I'll probably swap it out to be safe

[adrenalinejunkie]

Just got a call from someone at Strike Industries because I emailed them about it. First off their customer service is great because it wasn't long after I sent the email. He assured me that the grip is legal because the thumb goes around the fin portion and not the actual grip, and even with the thumb around the back it complies because it doesn't allow a standard grip. He also said that they're supplying several police departments with these grips and no one sees them as a problem.

[hunterb]

This poses an interesting question. Should legality of something depend on the hand size of a person?
A person with a smaller hand definitely wont be able to wrap his thumb around.
Does that mean this gun is legal for a smaller person while illegal for a bigger person, even though it's the same object?
Another California gun law fail, I suppose

Luckily my tiny girl hands can barely wrap around an A2 grip, let alone a grip fin!

[Mark77]

I guess my setup is questionable then? I can put my thumb up through the section above the fin but the web of my hand, between my thumb and index finger, sits above the top portion of the exposed trigger.



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Every grip fin that I have seen on a rifle with a collapsible stock has room to put the thumb on top.

[MudCamper]

Many are overthinking this. IMO the fins are fine. But everyone has to decide for themselves what they are comfortable with.

Just like most of us, I am no lawyer, so take anything I have to say as just internet chat... that said...

I am shocked that so many people on this forum looked at that grip and said it was illegal.

I agree if you have any questions, you should change it to something your comfortable with, but in the definition that has already been posted here :

"pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing."

There is NO way I would consider this a "pistol style grasp" If this is considered a pistol style grasp, than ANY fin grip should be...

if ANY fin grip is LEGAL, I would have to think the "Sig Brace" law would have to apply here... holding it that way is NOT its designed intent. using it in its designed intent should be totally fine, but if you choose to hold it like a goofball, then you have (as they put it) "re-engineered" it and at that point it may not be legal.

even then, I still fall back to holding it that way couldn't be called a pistol style grasp...

the web of your hand is butt up against the grip in a pistol style grasp. there is nothing in that photo that would lead me to believe that grip could be considered "firmly wrapped around the grip"

A Pistol style grasp (at least as defined in this 12/17/2003 letter by the DOJ [2nd to last paragraph]):

A "Pistol Style Grasp" allows the fingers to wrap firmly around the grip.

Thanks. Nice letter.

[Barang]

Many are overthinking this. IMO the fins are fine. But everyone has to decide for themselves what they are comfortable with.

Thanks. Nice letter.

Yep! that is one massive ugly pistol grip if you can even call that a pistol grip.

The imagination here is so active that we are our own worst enemy.

[V8MERC124]

You do understand that you're not quoting Penal Code, right? What you have is something else and it's not the law...

This is what I read out of that link I posted.

ARTICLE 2. DEFINITIONS OF TERMS USED TO IDENTIFY ASSAULT WEAPONS
The following definitions apply to terms used in the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.1:

My understanding is these are definitions of terms used in the penal code that identified assault weapons. Meaning thats how the doj views pistol grips.

*edit I found this of yours in this thread

The whole "webbing of the hand" language comes from the DOJ website, not the PC.

But that still makes me wonder, if those are definitions to further define words in the PC then how come they wouldnt apply?
This is on their website but is under revision right now. page 80 (or page 90 on pdf)

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf?

[peppermintman]

Lol. That Do Hickey is called a HiperShoe. I have the Hipertouch 24C trigger. 👍

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OK and what's so good about that? Lol