Why rifles so over priced?

[onelonehorseman]

Everyone starts high and meets the buyer somewhere in the middle. Free market will dictate pricing. Things can go much higher in November if Hillary wins.

I valid point as long as the seller is starting at a realistic price and not well above the price of out-of-state dealer new value + CA compliance cost + shipping + transfer + CA tax. Anything over that would make a used rifle rather unattractive unless it is a model that otherwise is unobtainable.

Upgrades.
Many sellers feel the buyer will be happy to pay for expensive mistakes.

A valid point on the upgrades increasing value, and there is some truth to sellers trying to recoup the value of useless upgrades that they added. There may also be useful upgrades that do increase the overall package value (like good optics, or upgraded trigger pack, etc). The caveat to upgrades is they may not be of interest to all potential buyers.

If the upgrades are something you want it can often be a good package, such as a solid AR with a good optic or surefire

Agreed.

[ifilef]

Buyers like to use the tactic of using the listed price at a shop or online without sales tax to haggle with sellersr. Do you expect sellers to eat the sales tax when they sell you a firearm? Also for out of state online buys you have to add CA ffl transfer fee and CA compliant mods fees. Do you expect sellers to have to take a loss there also?

I just roll my eyes when people expect calgun sellers to sell them at the exact online non-Cal compliant no shipping to CA prices.

Yes, I expect them to eat the sales tax. I am receiving a firearm that usually will not be covered by warranty and moreover may be used. So I expect a deal without tax and at lower price than LGS for new.

I don't understand your second paragraph.

[ifilef]

1) there are those that believe that accessory/upgrade purchases are good investments.
2) guys under duress that promise their wife/girlfriend that some of the firearms will go and prove it with MARKETPLACE offerings sporting prices that reach for the sky.
3) sellers that actually want to do a trade.

Are you responding to something? What is your point?

[geoint]

I have only ever bought one used gun. It was a Romanian PAR-1 that I thought would be interesting to add to the collection. It was $300.

For anything I was actually planning on shooting, I would never buy used since I have seen way too many guys sell lemons and not disclose it to be comfortable with buying a gun without a warranty or receipt.

I've sold plenty of guns and I did trade for a few but I was always getting a screaming deal in those cases and the gun I was trading for was something I could easily work on (glock both times) if they did have issues.

OP most calguns marketplace for sale listings suck. 99% of the time you will find better deals in person at local ffls or from online vendors.

[Packy14]

Iv been scanning the market here for a couple rifles I'm interested and I keep coming across the same thing.

I keep seeing USED rifles being offered for hundreds of dollars more than the same rifle new. I could somewhat understand if it was a scarce rifle but many are easily found in stock online or at local gun stores for much less.

Do people not look this stuff up before posting or buying? Kinda makes checking the market a big wast of time.

Go buy it at the store then. Wow, problem solved.

[someoneeasy]

Buyers like to use the tactic of using the listed price at a shop or online without sales tax to haggle with sellersr. Do you expect sellers to eat the sales tax when they sell you a firearm? Also for out of state online buys you have to add CA ffl transfer fee and CA compliant mods fees. Do you expect sellers to have to take a loss there also?

I just roll my eyes when people expect calgun sellers to sell them at the exact online non-Cal compliant no shipping to CA prices.

Yes, the seller should eat the sales tax.

[Tere_Hanges]

Go buy it at the store then. Wow, problem solved.

Yup. I see those ads. I just laugh and move on. Lots of special snowflakes in the marketplace think they are so special. Well they are special, just not in the way they think they are.

The Glock guys really crack me up and I love Glocks. Especially the ones selling Gen 4s like they are made of gold.

Or all the guys selling Rem 700 sps tacticals for 2-3 times what you can get them for new at any big box sporting goods chain. Hilarious.

Its fun to browse for the chance to see something unusual but you have to wade through a lot of dumb ads.

[highpower]

Buyers like to use the tactic of using the listed price at a shop or online without sales tax to haggle with sellersr. Do you expect sellers to eat the sales tax when they sell you a firearm? Also for out of state online buys you have to add CA ffl transfer fee and CA compliant mods fees. Do you expect sellers to have to take a loss there also?

I just roll my eyes when people expect calgun sellers to sell them at the exact online non-Cal compliant no shipping to CA prices.

Yes, I would expect the seller to eat the tax and shipping for a used rifle.

Why in the world would anyone in their right mind pay the same price for a used gun as they would pay for a new one?

Same with accessories, just because you like a particular do-dad, doesn't mean it is worth it's new-in-box price when you want to sell it down the road.

The problem isn't just in Commiefornia, it is all over. For some reason, sellers think that their used junk is worth exactly what they have in it.

[NapalmCheese]

Well see, Calguns is a made up entirely of Tier 1 Alpha (that's higher than tier 1) COMSECSPECNAVCOUCHWAR super black ops space shuttle door gunner operators.

If you want the gun that should have been used to kill Osama Bin Laden you've come to the right place. Every piece of every rifle has been tested with a single sub MOA 3 inch 3 shot group at 50 yards. Our bolts are nitrided, our barrels are melonited, our staking is impeccable, our 45 degree offset sights are zeroed (mostly) and our primary arms optics are battle proven at the 50 yard bench and never dropped on the carpet.

You have to pay for this much awesome; buy once cry once.

[SkyHawk]

I'm gonna guess it is a Big Name/low budget AR that someone slapped a UTG quad rail on and all of a sudden it is worth $250 more than a new one.

[dubs02]

Well see, Calguns is a made up entirely of Tier 1 Alpha (that's higher than tier 1) COMSECSPECNAVCOUCHWAR super black ops space shuttle door gunner operators.

If you want the gun that should have been used to kill Osama Bin Laden you've come to the right place. Every piece of every rifle has been tested with a single sub MOA 3 inch 3 shot group at 50 yards. Our bolts are nitrided, our barrels are melonited, our staking is impeccable, our 45 degree offset sights are zeroed (mostly) and our primary arms optics are battle proven at the 50 yard bench and never dropped on the carpet.

You have to pay for this much awesome; buy once cry once.

thats funny! thats exactly what I think when I read 90% of of the paper punching commandos posts..... I am the first one to admit that a bushnell trs25 is more than enough for this paper punching commando at 100 yards!

I have actually gotten some really good deals on some pretty unique firearms that I know for sure I wouldn't be able to buy at a store...so i love the market place...you just have to really look!

[highpower]

Well see, Calguns is a made up entirely of Tier 1 Alpha (that's higher than tier 1) COMSECSPECNAVCOUCHWAR super black ops space shuttle door gunner operators.

If you want the gun that should have been used to kill Osama Bin Laden you've come to the right place. Every piece of every rifle has been tested with a single sub MOA 3 inch 3 shot group at 50 yards. Our bolts are nitrided, our barrels are melonited, our staking is impeccable, our 45 degree offset sights are zeroed (mostly) and our primary arms optics are battle proven at the 50 yard bench and never dropped on the carpet.

You have to pay for this much awesome; buy once cry once.

When you operating out in the wilds of your local range, nothing is too good.

[213NJL]

LOL this reminded me of the time i went into Turner's and saw a Daniel Defense M4V11 Tornado on consignment for $2100,
and on the other side of the shelf, there sits the same exact rifle selling for $1760 by Turners.

[Drew Eckhardt]

Iv been scanning the market here for a couple rifles I'm interested and I keep coming across the same thing.

I keep seeing USED rifles being offered for hundreds of dollars more than the same rifle new. I could somewhat understand if it was a scarce rifle but many are easily found in stock online or at local gun stores for much less.

Your LGS will charge you $160-$180 in tax on a rifle like a Tavor.

Ordered from out of state, the transfer fee will be at least $30 more than you'd pay for a PPT and you'll spend at least $20 on shipping.

For something not readily available in California compliant form you'll spend at least $100 getting it to a middle man, converted, and shipped out.

That's $160-$330, hundreds more than what the price says.

Everybody likes to "win" buying so add another $100-$200 to the asking price to allow a 5-10% discount.

As a buyer, you'd end up in the same place with a private asking price of $250-$500 over selling price at the LGS or online.

Do people not look this stuff up before posting or buying? Kinda makes checking the market a big wast of time.

If I sold my NIB CA compliant Tavor SAR for close to break even for upgrading to an X95 I'd aim for $2050 and start around $2200 - the $1800 a new in-stock California compliant model sells for out-of-state from a dealer that has it in stock, $250 in sales tax / shipping / interstate FFL, and $150 to negotiate back to what you'd total buying elsewhere.

Or try for more - with the election approaching, people will pay more like I'm doing to expedite getting new toys before it.

[onelonehorseman]

A driver for higher prices may be if the seller has something that will be an AW next year, and is a currently a scarce rifle with rare shelf availability and a long wait time to get new from a dealer. The closer we get to Dec 31, the more compelled buyers will be pay extra to get what they want before the cut-off date, if they are planning to register.

. . not sure if that's the case with the ads that OP is referring to in his OP. Generally, I don't think the majority of rifles will fall into this scenario now, or for even in the next 60 days.