Sorry Panic Buyers of Green Tips

[varanidguy]

The government should subsidize ammo and guns for the poor then? If not, they'll have to deal with the market just like the rest of us.

Not being being able to afford to exercise a right is not an infringement. Not being able to afford publication of your manifesto doesn't mean that your first amendment rights have been violated. It would only be the case if the government were artificially increasing prices with the express purpose of preventing people from buying guns and ammo.

Could that be what they were trying to do? If the ban had gone through, it would have driven the price of all .223/5.56 up, and possibly even spilled over into other cartridges. M855 is/was a cheap, plentiful round to shoot for plinking, practice, and training. With that gone, something would have to fill that gap and demand would increase, therefore prices would as well.

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It seems that the fault is solely with whoever was so shortsighted that they didn't keep a large enough stock for defending chickens and/or family members.

I don't flip but I also don't see the big deal. Why aren't the people who chose not to buy anything during times of plenty being called out for their lack of personal responsibility? Seems like inflated panic prices are the cost of not being prepared. It's not like this was the first big ammo panic.

I don't flip either. I just don't get why some people don't think it's unethical to buy up all the $25 a box ammo. Then turn around and sell it as fast as they can for $50 a box. I guess the flippers are calling them out.

[varanidguy]

I don't flip either. I just don't get why some people don't think it's unethical to buy up all the $25 a box ammo. Then turn around and sell it as fast as they can for $50 a box. I guess the flippers are calling them out.

Honestly, this is one of the many reasons I started reloading. Albeit the components market isn't immune to ebbs and flows of supply and demand, panics, and just the market in general, it doesn't seem to be as terribad as the ammunition market. I can still go get plenty of powder, primers, bullets, brass, etc for the same price as before the M855 panic...I just can't buy SS109 bullets for dirt cheap anymore.

[major burnout]

TMI dewd, tmi

How did you even dream up that senario? I cant Imagine what else you think about. You are a sick sick man.

[MrTokarev]

Could that be what they were trying to do? If the ban had gone through, it would have driven the price of all .223/5.56 up, and possibly even spilled over into other cartridges. M855 is/was a cheap, plentiful round to shoot for plinking, practice, and training. With that gone, something would have to fill that gap and demand would increase, therefore prices would as well.

I certainly wouldn't put it past them. But I imagine when they want to do it, it will be through special taxes and fees. Some kind of "dangerous item" tax and a background check card you need to pay to renew every year. Maybe .5 cent a round tax that will not affect joe shmoe casual shooter but really hurt bulk buyers. Make it seem minor to get it through congress or under the radar in a bureau, then put the screws to all of us. I've heard antis demand that gun owners have liability insurance for any damages their guns might cause.

Or allow lawsuits and special taxes on gun makers so they have to pass cost down to us. That's why we need to keep on top of these things and oppose them anytime they try to sneak them through.

[varanidguy]

I certainly wouldn't put it past them. But I imagine when they want to do it, it will be through special taxes and fees. Some kind of "dangerous item" tax and a background check card you need to pay to renew every year. Maybe .5 cent a round tax that will not affect joe shmoe casual shooter but really hurt bulk buyers. Make it seem minor to get it through congress or under the radar in a bureau, then put the screws to all of us. I've heard antis demand that gun owners have liability insurance for any damages their guns might cause.

Or allow lawsuits and special taxes on gun makers so they have to pass cost down to us. That's why we need to keep on top of these things and oppose them anytime they try to sneak them through.

And the antis call US the crazy ones...

[MrTokarev]

I don't flip either. I just don't get why some people don't think it's unethical to buy up all the $25 a box ammo. Then turn around and sell it as fast as they can for $50 a box. I guess the flippers are calling them out.

I guess I just feel that the people getting "screwed" had just as much a chance to buy cheap as anyone else before the panic. The flippers just seem to be taking advantage of their laziness. Maybe they will learn their lesson before then next panic.

[MrTokarev]

And the antis call US the crazy ones...

Death by a thousand cuts. Each little thing will be relatively minor. But in the end, it will just kill the hobby/sport/freedom.

[major burnout]

Honestly, this is one of the many reasons I started reloading. Albeit the components market isn't immune to ebbs and flows of supply and demand, panics, and just the market in general, it doesn't seem to be as terribad as the ammunition market. I can still go get plenty of powder, primers, bullets, brass, etc for the same price as before the M855 panic...I just can't buy SS109 bullets for dirt cheap anymore.

After the 855 gets banned, powder and primers are next. Reloading is fun. I recommend everyone try it.

[major burnout]

The easiest way to stop the panics is stop the ban threats.

[varanidguy]

After the 855 gets banned, powder and primers are next. Reloading is fun. I recommend everyone try it.

I'm not sure that is on the antis radar....yet.

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I guess I just feel that the people getting "screwed" had just as much a chance to buy cheap as anyone else before the panic. The flippers just seem to be taking advantage of their laziness. Maybe they will learn their lesson before then next panic.

Maybe some of them will, but the so called panic on 22 rimfire has been going since 1/2013, I know a couple young people that just this year turned the legal age to purchase ammo. Their jobs screw them from being able to buy the cheap stuff. I wouldn't call them lazy.

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I'm not sure that is on the antis radar....yet.

I think all rifle ammo that can be shot in pistols is what's on their radar at the moment. I do remember a primer shortage back when Clinton was Pres. though.

[varanidguy]

I think all rifle ammo that can be shot in pistols is what's on their radar at the moment. I do remember a primer shortage back when Clinton was Pres. though.

Well, I mean banning powder/primers outright, or putting a massive ridiculous tax on it.

[cire raeb]

Got 900 rds of M855/SS109 on 10rd stripper clips from Falcon Operation Group for $360 a few days before the ammo run.