Running scared...

[Steve O]

If LEO walked up to me while I was changing my mag, I would inform them that it rifle is capable of accepting fixed mag, but detaching the fixed mag requires a tool.
Then at that point I guess I would say nothing more and refer them to my attorney.

[BroncoBob]

At RifleGear.com the Bullet Button is outselling the Prince50 about 75% to 25%. Come by and talk to us and you won't get the FUD from people that dont sell nor know anything about these products. Think of it this way - would you go to a Ford dealership to ask which motorcycle you should by? Avoid Turner's if you are talking black rifles...

All I can say is trust Dave. From the times I have spoke to him he is very knowledgable regarding Calif. gun laws.

[kmca]

If a LEO isn't going to listen to a reasonable discussion about the BB, then they probably won't believe a Prince50 either.

BTW, wouldn't a monster man or U-15 be "safer"?

[geeknow]

The problem here is the OP himself. It's your problem pal, not the law, not the BB, not your rifle. The problem is YOU.

I own 3 ARs with BBs. I am not afraid to shoot them at ranges. I don't care who is there, ATF, DOJ, cops, whatever. I know the law chapter and verse, I carry the AW cheat sheet with me whenever I have my rifle on me, and I am just waiting for some LEO to make a scene, because goddamit, I am going to make a scene too, quoting him every relevant section of the law.

It's a confidence issue. If you get nervous around cops you are going to lose your gun, even though you're in the right and have broken no laws. Read 'em the riot act for chrissake! You are not breaking any laws with the BB - get the foreknowledge to tell them why.

And in my case, if they still decide to take my rifle after I have patiently explained all the laws stating that it is perfectly legal, then God help them - I'm going to make that guy's life a living hell with lawsuits and letters to his chief. He'll rue the day he ran into me.

I'm just so tired of FUD.

+1 here. While I dont relish the prospect of a confrontation (nor am i asserting that the above poster does), I am similarly educated and prepared to educate (complete with PC) any LEO that claims I am in the wrong. The bottome line is that the law is here for all, and we are on the correct side of it. Know the law and be confident.

Having said that, take a trip out to Angeles. It will be a good confidence boost for you to see all of us shooting our OLL's.

regards

[geeknow]

Why would the ATF take the time to explain CA state law to the CHP?

I have spoken with a few CHP officers regarding OLL's. The consensus that I got was that it is the view of the CHP to let other LEO agencies litigate firearms issues. Once it has been litigated ad naseum, then they adopt policy. To be fair, the officers that i spoke with expressed concern over that policy as it didn't put them in the best position to properly enforce ever-changing laws...but that is how the department works.

[geeknow]

Thanks all for your input so far, I have decided on the BB and I will as suggested, carry paper work with me if I need to educate any LEOs.

My Parts should be here in 10 days.

Good for you! Not sure where you are located, but if you want a shooting buddy for your first time out with your OLL, let me know.

[rtlltj]

As long as a tool is required to drop the mag then its considered non detachable.

[motorhead]

why would atf bother with a ca state firearms law?
here's a new sig line for someone re:BB, if inserting=accepting, why is rape illegal?

[Capt. Speirs]

Good for you! Not sure where you are located, but if you want a shooting buddy for your first time out with your OLL, let me know.

I live in the City of Orange.

[Air]

Good for you! Not sure where you are located, but if you want a shooting buddy for your first time out with your OLL, let me know.

Does that offer stand for me too? Mine should be ready in 2 or 3 weeks...

[DedEye]

why would atf bother with a ca state firearms law?
here's a new sig line for someone re:BB, if inserting=accepting, why is rape illegal?

[badicedog]

first off, what are you doing at Turners???? That's the beginning of your problem. I rest my case.

[devildog999]

Why would the ATF take the time to explain CA state law to the CHP?

Because most don't likely know the exact law when it comes to the AR/AK and others and a BB. With the increasing popularity and ownership numbers due to the BB and people knowing about the BB; they likely understand to inform LEOs so that they don't start arresting a lot of ppl that have these legal rifles.

[Sam1]

I have a bb on mine, while transporting or not in use I keep an empty mag in it just to be on the safe side. At the range I use a tool(bullet) to release the mag. If someone is approaching you just pop in a mag if you feel paranoid lol I would recommend the BB because you can drop the mag or top load, but you can only top load with the prince50.

[Nodda Duma]

Why would the ATF take the time to explain CA state law to the CHP?

There are ATF agents who reside in CA, too, you know. They probably want their own OLL rifle same as we do and don't want them wrongly confiscated either

-Jason