JFK Assassin's Rifle

[Citadelgrad87]

Cough. In before the usual conspiracy nopers.

Nope.

Edit, gotta live the true believers who never say what they believe, they just mock those with knowledge of the facts and who take the time to post what they think happened. The pithy, smug, " what about this" way of never actually saying what they think happened.

How original.

[Citadelgrad87]

if someone would be so kind as to post the whole page from the advertisement from the sporting goods store that Lee Harvey Oswald mail ordered his rifle from you will clearly see for just a few dollars more he could have had a m1 Garand with a scope.

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also it's a little known fact that was not covered in the Warren Report.
The 38 special that he shot the police officer was a Smith and Wesson that had been Lend / Leased to Britain shipped back and modified to shoot .38 special but not rebarreled to shoot a 38 special so basically the bullets being slightly undersized for the 38 cartridge that the British and used & would not have rifling as a normal pistol should have.

I believe the mail order a store called it the commando special and it occurs to me that that type of gun would be good if you were in some kind of secret agency and you didn't want but let's traced back to you...or at least plausible deniability.

No, it was WAY MORE for the Garand, and they weren't listed with scopes. $12 versus $89. That's a ton of money in 1963.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=493918

[Merc1138]

if someone would be so kind as to post the whole page from the advertisement from the sporting goods store that Lee Harvey Oswald mail ordered his rifle from you will clearly see for just a few dollars more he could have had a m1 Garand with a scope.

Have YOU seen the ad? That wasn't "just a few dollars more" for a garand.

[Citadelgrad87]

The mechanics of the shot should prove to any shooting enthusiast that people claiming amazing shooting ability don't know their way around firearms.

The head shot, the final and therefore the farthest shot, was 88 yards. What is that, 12 moa? Call it a 6 inch target at a little more than half to 100y. The target was moving directly away from the window, at 10-11 mph, on a road that has a 4% downgrade. Meaning looking through the scope, the target was not moving, just slowly getting smaller. The downgrade eliminates bullet drop as a factor. The shooter was well braced, using boxes.

The shots were not difficult assuming we agree that the shooter was determined to shoot the president.

[joefrank64k]

No, it was WAY MORE for the Garand, and they weren't listed with scopes. $12 versus $89. That's a ton of money in 1963.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=493918

Yep...about a $600 difference in 2014 dollars. (Exactly $597.08 for those that may check )

[brando]

Sigh. You know you're reading a gun forum when it doesn't take much for a thread to devolve into paranoid delusions or conspiracies....

[Che762x39]

Probably because it was $19.95 shipped with a scope:

That is really awesome, thank you for sharing.

[Che762x39]

Have YOU seen the ad? That wasn't "just a few dollars more" for a garand.

My dad bought me the Enfield instead of the 1917 to save $10. But then he had two boys to buy rifles for. We still got them.

[dfletcher]

IIRC, he got it for about $7.00 from the back of a magazine.

Kleins, about $20.00 including the "Hollywood Optics" scope. My father bought one also, he lived in DC and worked in the Bureau of Budget from 61 to 65. He kept it after but never used it, I still have it and have used it a bit - learned to reload on the thing. Even used it for woodchuck hunting on occasion.

It's entirely capable of doing what was done that day, I've been to the plaza on a few cross country drives. It's very small. When visited some of the theories put forth are revealed as silly and impossible, such as firing from a storm drain.

Agent Hickey won a lawsuit against a publisher who accused him of killing the President.

As technology improves the nefarious suppositions about what happened are proved wrong. When people associated with the event and family die more information comes out - the autopsy was controlled by the family to restrict medical information about the President, not to hide wounds. The original coffin was dumped in the ocean by the Army because it was damaged and to prevent tasteless display, the family wanted nothing to do with a coffin from Dallas. The brain was secretely re-interred by the President's brother in 1966 or so. Not that that has anything to do with what actually happened.

People will continue to make money pushing their conspiracy theories. They'll never answer questions or provide conclusive evidence. They ask the nefarious "raised eyebrow" questions and provide their own results, nothing more.

[dfletcher]

Nope.

Edit, gotta live the true believers who never say what they believe, they just mock those with knowledge of the facts and who take the time to post what they think happened. The pithy, smug, " what about this" way of never actually saying what they think happened.

How original.

It goes something like this ......

"We all know he couldn't have fired those number of shots. And the President going back couldn't have happened with a shot from the rear. And a trauma room doctor who tried to save his life said it was an entrance hole. So that means the shot must have come from the front."

Supposition based on assumption is what sells books.

[Brave Sir Robin]

It wasn't the 6.5 or the 5.56 that killed him. It was an alien who placed the kill shots and had Oswald brainwashed to be there and become the bait. Either an alien or a sasquatch...flip a coin.

[pterrell]

Just saying, but Oswald was a barely qualified marksman and a problem child in the Marine Corps. I don't buy into all the conspiracy theories but I doubt he was alone.

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[rm1911]

Military battle rifle in the hands of a trained marksman? Yeah he did it.



All his shots were at between 50 and 75 yards. My wife with minimal training can keep all shots on a 8 inch gong at 100 yards, off hand with a AK-47 clone. Just saying,

Not even close. The shots were a couple hundred yards away. He was shooting from a very elevated position, at a target moving away from him at a good rate of speed. And moving in the worst way possible. Basically down and to the right. He was unsupported and had to mean out a window. And he had to fire it moving his right arm into the window pane.

Good the map of the Texas book repository and the and of the shot. No possible way in the world could be have made the shot. Was he up there taking shots? Perhaps. That's not the issue.

The entry wound was in front, the base of his neck. Exit wound back of head. Oswald was behind him.

Do the math. I've no idea who did shot JFK, but I know who didn't.

[Merc1138]

Not even close. The shots were a couple hundred yards away. He was shooting from a very elevated position, at a target moving away from him at a good rate of speed. And moving in the worst way possible. Basically down and to the right. He was unsupported and had to mean out a window. And he had to fire it moving his right arm into the window pane.

Good the map of the Texas book repository and the and of the shot. No possible way in the world could be have made the shot. Was he up there taking shots? Perhaps. That's not the issue.

The entry wound was in front, the base of his neck. Exit wound back of head. Oswald was behind him.

Do the math. I've no idea who did shot JFK, but I know who didn't.

Couple hundred yards? Have you looked at a map of Dealey Plaza? A "couple hundred yards" and the car would have already been beyond the train crossing over Elm St. At the time of the headshot, the limo was about halfway from S. Houston St. to the train tracks, which isn't even 100 yards.

If ya'll want to believe that someone else shot Kennedy, fine. But can we please stop with the nonsense about an m1 garand only costing a few bucks more and the car being a "couple hundred yards" away which is absolute bull**** that is disproven by every map of the area from then and now including google maps?

Here's a quick link even: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7790.../data=!3m1!1e3

There's no way, that was "a couple hundred yards".

[Citadelgrad87]

Just saying, but Oswald was a barely qualified marksman and a problem child in the Marine Corps. I don't buy into all the conspiracy theories but I doubt he was alone.

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No, he wasn't barely qualified. That's utterly false. In boot, he shot very well, sharpshooter, out to 600 yards. The kill shot was 88. I know people who could make that shot with a handgun. It absolutely was not a difficult shot,and Oswald had been shooting since he was a boy. Plus we know he tried to myrder general walker with the same rifle.

The second and final time he shot for qual, he didn't give a crap and phoned it in, and still qualified.

He was a problem child. He didn't like following orders and was insubordinate, and that problem manifested itself in grade school and was consistent at every job he ever had. He hated people telling him what to do and could not work with others.

Hardly the traits of a team player that someone would use to get something important done.

Agreed?