URSA October 15th 2000+ Yard Match

[Apollo]

That fire is crazy, I just got the go ahead to come home today. My thoughts go out to all the people affected.

On the subject of ELR shooting I think one big problem the super-wildcats have is you just don't get to shoot them enough. Ammo is expensive, barrels burn out, you the shooter get fatigued.

With smaller cartridges like the 338 Lapua you can get a rifle for $850 and a scope for $1,000 and go play at 2,000 yards for less than two grand, including ammo.

While it isn't cheap, you can still afford to send 50 rounds down range in a session, try that with a 375-50 and you'll be spent, flinching, and broke.

What I'm saying is the best rifle for you is one that you shoot well, not one that someone else shoots well. You.

And that takes time and practice.



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[firefly416]

With smaller cartridges like the 338 Lapua

This is the first time I have ever heard 338 Lapua Magnum referred to as a "smaller cartridge". I think I'm in the right group.

[URSA Facilitator]

I immediately questioned the $850, but...looked and found a factory-box-new Savage 112 Target at $817, shipped - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/708676974. Wow!

That noted, I'm assuming Apollo meant 500 rounds in a season, not 50.

[Kingair001]

I immediately questioned the $850, but...looked and found a factory-box-new Savage 112 Target at $817, shipped - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/708676974. Wow!

That noted, I'm assuming Apollo meant 500 rounds in a season, not 50.

He mentioned 50 in a session

[LynnJr]

I heard from one of our shooters that didn't see the cancellation.
He drove up the mountain and said it was smoke free clear as a bell and no wind at all.
He said the fire missed up wide left.
I was actually hoping our mountain would have gotten cleared up but he did mention they graded the roads and they are very smooth.
Let's hope we get the same conditions in November.

And Apollo hit the nail on the head. Stomper shoots his 7WSM very well and gets to practice at one mile with it. The 30 Caliber Conspiracy Shooters have there own range set up and light array. Focus does a lot of long distance shooting at 1000 yards as does WhiteMamba.
With the big boomers it takes most of a barrel to get your load/bullet/powder/seating depth dialed in because they eat up throats then crowns pretty quickly.

[Apollo]

I immediately questioned the $850, but...looked and found a factory-box-new Savage 112 Target at $817, shipped - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/708676974. Wow!

That noted, I'm assuming Apollo meant 500 rounds in a season, not 50.

Yeah, 50 per session.

And those 112's are cheap but while it doesn't have a 1oz trigger if you're willing to do some gunsmithing yourself it can be pretty livable for such a cheap rifle. I must have put a good 20 hours into mine getting everything sorted but I've never seen it stray above .5 MOA at 300 yards. Sometimes as good as .25 MOA. But it does heat up quickly.

Then again a fairly light 26" non-fluted barrel on a single shot solid bottom action set in a laminated stock is easy to tune and hard to screw up.

That said, the stock was an absolute mess and the bolt lift out of the box was a total deal breaker. I had to pretty much re-do everything from the pillars to the barrel channel before I even fired a round. I ended up glass bedding it then gluing the action into the stock after it was cleaned up. Fixing the bolt lift was a whole 'nother ordeal.





Seriously though, sub MOA at 300yds for under a grand? In 338 LM? It's a deal.

[sigstroker]

What was wrong with the bolt lift?

I got a Model 12 on the way, though not in .338.

[Apollo]

What was wrong with the bolt lift?

I got a Model 12 on the way, though not in .338.

Bolt lift on Savages can be insanely stiff. A lot of people use a 38 sp shell casing and a ball bearing to make it more liveable.

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[LynnJr]

If you don't like the amount of effort it takes to lift the bolt handle you can buy a lift kit from Pacific Tool and Gauge for around $35.

There are alot of shooters making there own using a ball bearing.
The picture shows the PT&G lift. The pointy end makes contact at a single spot and thus lessens the friction.
I changed out my bolt body and bolt handle with stainless steel parts and bought the lift kit so I didn't have the factory black screw holding it all together.
The point or ball bearing sticking out means you need to adjust the firing pins overall length. There are two lock nuts on the firing pin and if your not careful the rear one will fly off never to be seen again. They are only $2 from the Savage store so get three just to be safe.

[Apollo]

If you don't like the amount of effort it takes to lift the bolt handle you can buy a lift kit from Pacific Tool and Gauge for around $35.

There are alot of shooters making there own using a ball bearing.
The picture shows the PT&G lift. The pointy end makes contact at a single spot and thus lessens the friction.
I changed out my bolt body and bolt handle with stainless steel parts and bought the lift kit so I didn't have the factory black screw holding it all together.
The point or ball bearing sticking out means you need to adjust the firing pins overall length. There are two lock nuts on the firing pin and if your not careful the rear one will fly off never to be seen again. They are only $2 from the Savage store so get three just to be safe.

The other thing is the rear screw can be a nightmare to get off. I actually was able to stand on the hex wrench and put my full weight on it without the bolt loosening.

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[sigstroker]

Bolt lift on Savages can be insanely stiff. A lot of people use a 38 sp shell casing and a ball bearing to make it more liveable.

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Really. I've heard just the opposite. I only have one Savage and it's an Axis. Pretty easy lift. I'll find out soon enough on a Model 12, Cabela's just charged my credit card, indicating to me my backorder has been filled on one of them.

The other thing is the rear screw can be a nightmare to get off. I actually was able to stand on the hex wrench and put my full weight on it without the bolt loosening.

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I have an electric impact wrench, which was how Vaughn Precision in his youtubes suggests disassembling Savage bolts.

So this is not just because of crud or grit in the bolt? This is a design issue?

[Apollo]

Really. I've heard just the opposite. I only have one Savage and it's an Axis. Pretty easy lift. I'll find out soon enough on a Model 12, Cabela's just charged my credit card, indicating to me my backorder has been filled on one of them.



I have an electric impact wrench, which was how Vaughn Precision in his youtubes suggests disassembling Savage bolts.

So this is not just because of crud or grit in the bolt? This is a design issue?

The stock bolt has two flat metal pieces rubbing together which will always cause friction.

Compared to a really nice Rem 700 style action the Savage will always seem stiffer. My main issue with the stiff lift was that it was shifting the rifle way off kilter on the bipod. So I'd then have to get back into position and re-level the rifle.

It's much much smoother now.

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[LynnJr]

SigStroker
Some of the Savages are running a 32 pound spring which has to be overcome in order to cock the bolt.
Remingtons run 24 pounds and Borden BR actions run 18 pounds for comparison.
My bolt lift at 32 pounds wasn't really an issue but I wanted the silver colored hex bolt to complete the bolt so I killed two birds with one rock.
You can add a cheater bar or piece of pipe over your Allen wrench if the hexnut is real tight.

[sigstroker]

I'll take the easy route.

[Apollo]

I'll take the easy route.

Nice.

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