General precision gun setup

[bsumoba]

1. I use a progressive for my match ammo but I shoot service rifle.
2. Jim O'Connell uses a chargemaster, when I'm shooting a discipline that has a smaller target than he shoots I'll use something else.
3. Longrange, F-class, PRS are all very different disciplines. They have some overlaps but if they overlapped as much as people thought then the winners in each would all be the same. They take a different mentality and a different set of skills.

With respect, that may be true if you get to mount glass on your rifle and have it supported mechanically. The service rifle and the prone rifle are about round count because they are shot in position and you have to work your position with rounds down range. In that case I'll take a 550 and a midrange target for the bulk of my practice over making "real 1k match" loads for every range trip.

I believe Jim is at minimum, finishing off his charge weight with an omega trickler and I would have to assume an electronic scale. Shh...don't tell him, but I saw it through the window in his trailer

You are right, mentality for each is different. Example, in PRS style matches, there are short spurts of shooting that last less than 2 minutes typically. You need to be on your game in those short couple minutes along with being able to shoot in positions other than prone. In F-Class, you need to be on your game anywhere from 5-30 minutes, paying attention to everything around you to look for any hint of condition changes.

You can mount ~4x power scopes on your service rifles now. Jim says its a game changer for him and he loves it because he can shoot more service rifle now.

[milotrain]

My shooting background honestly lends better to high power, not f-class, but I want to get into both, I don't see why the two disciplines would be mutually exclusive, so, I assume I'd be reloading for both.

They are not mutually exclusive. Chargemaster or Autotrickler for midrange and beyond, throw for 200 and 300.

It is true that scopes put Jim back in the game, but he was never far out of it. His kit changes a lot these days it seems, and I've seen him in the shed at Coalinga making ammo but I stand by the fact that you can use a Chargemaster for pretty much any position shooting until you are trying to beat Jim, Bob, Noma, Nancy, etc.

[jrpowell3]

They are not mutually exclusive. Chargemaster or Autotrickler for midrange and beyond, throw for 200 and 300.

It is true that scopes put Jim back in the game, but he was never far out of it. His kit changes a lot these days it seems, and I've seen him in the shed at Coalinga making ammo but I stand by the fact that you can use a Chargemaster for pretty much any position shooting until you are trying to beat Jim, Bob, Noma, Nancy, etc.

So, you're saying for mid range and beyond, a progressive press is fine as long as you very accurately measure the powder charge. Less than 300 is fine just to use the powder dispenser on the press already. Or did I completely misinterpret?

[milotrain]

I was just talking powder measuring. I use a progressive for midrange service rifle but I'll single stage bolt rifle ammo.

[LynnJr]

Like I said, Bryan bore scoped my barrel right after I cleaned it. It was clean. Are you seriously trying to start an argument about who can clean a barrel better?

Mike
Reread your post above were you talked about your cleaning technique.
And no I am not arguing about who can clean a barrel better I am stating it as a fact that my method is indeed better than what you posted above.
No argument we can video tape it and show it to the masses.

[LynnJr]

Also there was a poster here who posted that the PRS shooters out reloaded the benchrest shooters because they did things better.
Why isn't he responding now?

[longrange1]

Who posted that PRS shooters out reload BR shooters?


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[jrpowell3]

What is PRS?

Edit: Nevermind, I used google like a normal human being.

[LynnJr]

Yeah when I first got here there was a lot of talk about Precision Rifles and I Assumed they meant the most accurate rifles on the planet only to find out they have a discipline with that title.

[jrpowell3]

I just wanted to say thank you to all you guys for all the invaluable knowledge. I have some homework to do.

[JMP]

The super-saturated solution of ammonium hydroxide as Lynn showed is the best way to go if you are shooting copper projectiles. Of course, if you don't have a cold storage facility for it, it'll get a bit weaker as ammonia will evaporate as a byproduct. For small caliber barrels, a few passes of Wipeout work fine too. It's just that Wipeout gets too expensive on large caliber rifles so you need something a bit stronger to get down to business.

[longrange1]

Yeah when I first got here there was a lot of talk about Precision Rifles and I Assumed they meant the most accurate rifles on the planet only to find out they have a discipline with that title.

So does that mean you think a rifle built for PRS is not accurate?


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[JMP]

It's Lynn, if the barrel isn't at least 2" thick, the gun is not accurate enough for him.

[longrange1]

Lol...I figured but just verifying.


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[LynnJr]

So does that mean you think a rifle built for PRS is not accurate?


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No I think the guns built for PRS are very accurate. I also think the guns built for F-Class are accurate and I think my hunting rifles are accurate.
That said I think some are more accurate than others due to the restrictions placed on them by the various sanctioning bodies.
A 9.90 index drag car is very fast but it isn't a fuel dragster.
The 9.90 car has to be extremely consistent to keep from breaking out or getting beat to the finish line over a long series of races.
The fuel dragster only has to beat the car next to it no matter how slow or fast.