Scope zeroed at max left windage....?

[smoothy8500]

i hate how it takes this much work to put a scope onto a rifle in this day and age.... when it should be as easy as mount and go shoot.

Maybe those old Redfield mounts in the 60's and 70's with the rear windgage screw or even the Leupold "twist lock" of the 80's weren't so bad after all...

[dwalker]

I have a Leupold mount that does the same thing if it is not mounted perfectly. Regardless of quality of components even minor mistakes in mounting will show up when sighting in. You just cannot simply buy the best, put it together, and expect it to shoot.


I do not believe your stock has anything to do with it if you are shooting reasonably sized groups. I have a Hogue stock which I believe is similar to what your talking about on my FN TSR and it is a pretty solid stock.

[ar15barrels]

The stock is the fully bedded and pillared hogue stock, very solid and rigid (not the cheap hogue stock that it came on. I am able to slide a piece of paper under the barrel between the stock all the way to the recoil lug. The barrel is free floating.

The base mount and rings are badger ordnance and top quality all installed to manufacture recommendations.

It has really nothing to do with the stock as my groups are tight and on point. The windage is maxed to the left on the scope. There is something causing the scope to point that way.

Either it is the base mounting holes in the action were drilled out of square at Remington. The base mount is drilled wrong from badge or the rings, or the scope itself is wacko..... I don't know....

The rifle is at the gunsmith right now and I will left you know what he says.

The scope does not point crooked.
The BARREL is what points crooked.
The bullets go where the barrel points them.
You have to dial windage in the scope to get the scope to match where the bullets are landing BECAUSE the barrel is pointing sideways.

[MacOtac]

The scope does not point crooked.
The BARREL is what points crooked.
The bullets go where the barrel points them.
You have to dial windage in the scope to get the scope to match where the bullets are landing BECAUSE the barrel is pointing sideways.

So you are say my barrel is probably crooked?

[JMP]

Sounds like the receiver holes may be crooked. Try mounting it on a different rifle and see if it improves.

[3100FPS]

For one, quality rings like Badger do not need to lapped. Some swear by "lapping the rings" and I suppose if that is a part of their mental minutia then so be it. Maybe if you buy rings from wal mart they you should lap them. Badger, Seekins, Warne, APA, Nightforce, Vortex, Sphur do not need to be lapped. To the OP, since it sounds like you changed the stock right out of the box I would put the original stock back on, made sure the action screws are properly torqued to specifications and in sequence. No need to re-mount the scope since you've done that a few times already. So shoot it in the original configuration and see if anything has changed. If it shoots to the left still, you can call Remington and try and get it sent back. If you really want to get to the bottom of it you need to find a gunsmith and have them pull the barrel and put it on the lathe. At that point you can check bore straightness, run-out, ect. That way might cost you a little bit of money but atleast you have piece of mind that you aren't crazy and can have some photographs/video to send to Remington.

[Hateca]

So you are say my barrel is probably crooked?

Exactly, all factory barrels are crooked, everyone of them. The factory will physically bend them trying to make the bores straight. Factories do not index the barrels at TDC of the receiver. If your barrel is torqued to the receiver with the muzzle pointing left or right you will loose windage. Most rifle builders will put the TDC of the barrel run-out at 12 o'clock of the receiver to climate this issue.

As for your stock, I don't care if you can slide a dollar bill down the barrel channel while it's sitting on the bench. Does the stock forend flex when you pre-load? Does the barrel contact the stock at any point during firing when the barrel goes through harmonic barrel whip? That plastic stock with "bedding" pillars is just short of crap.

Again your scope base holes are not crooked experience says it's in the stock and or barrel, period.

[ar15barrels]

For one, quality rings like Badger do not need to lapped. Some swear by "lapping the rings" and I suppose if that is a part of their mental minutia then so be it. Maybe if you buy rings from wal mart they you should lap them. Badger, Seekins, Warne, APA, Nightforce, Vortex, Sphur do not need to be lapped.

If you were mounting the rings on a Surgeon or a Deviant, I would say you are correct.
However, when you are mounting the rings on a base that's screwed on to a factory action, it's anybodys guess if the rail is straight or not.

If the rail is not straight, the rings need to be lapped to correct for the bowed rail.

[LynnJr]

Randall
If the rings fit the scope but the rail is bowed wouldn't lapping the rings just hog them out? And make them oversized?
If he then puts those same rings on another rifle with a straight rail the rings are now junk without bedding them right?

[ar15barrels]

Randall
If the rings fit the scope but the rail is bowed wouldn't lapping the rings just hog them out? And make them oversized?
If he then puts those same rings on another rifle with a straight rail the rings are now junk without bedding them right?

Yes, but it makes it so they do not BIND on the scope tube.

You only lap the bottom half of the ring.
So the bottom half gets hogged out.
Then you set the top half on and clamp it down.
The top half conforms to the scope tube and any misalignemnt will be handled within the gaps on the sides of the rings.

[jrpowell3]

Reading this has me concerned about the 700 I pick up tomorrow

[jtv3062]

No lapping of the rings. The base mount and rings are made by Badger ordnance, and I believe lapping is not need for this combination due to the manufacturing quality.

Still need to bed the base.
Good for you for not wanting to ruin the rings.

[Horrendo Revolver]

Until recently I would only shim a one piece base which will not stress the scope tube. Last month I was talking to a Leupold tech and their policy is that it is find to shim a two piece base with up to three of their shims. I waited a day, called back and talked to another tech and received the same answer. If I absolutely have to I will now shim a two piece base.

[Horrendo Revolver]

Until recently I would only shim a one piece base which will not stress the scope tube. Last month I was talking to a Leupold tech and their policy is that it is find to shim a two piece base with up to three of their shims. I waited a day, called back and talked to another tech and received the same answer. If I absolutely have to I will now shim a two piece base.

Well boys and girls, I just realized I posted this in the wrong thread.

[dangerranger]

I see a lot of guessing in this thread! It must be the stock, it must be a bent barrel, the mounting holes are off, lap the scope rings, don't rap the rings, etc.... What The OP asked for was a way to tell what the problem might be.

Set the rifle in some kind of cradle with the barrel somewhat level, and the action also level. and then rig up a string line with a couple of plumb bobs hanging centered on the bore when you look down on the rifle it will be very evident if the scope and barrel are not in the same alignment. If they are its a scope problem, if they are not look for what is out of alignment, barrel, mounting bolts, rings, etc... Good Luck DR