Savage 110 BA Problem

[In My Cold Dead Hands]

zeroed my new out of the box .300 Win Mag with 3 different scopes achieving the same results:

The firearm will zero with a laser bore sight at 50 yards with plenty of windage adjustment to the left and right with the intended scope of use (Nightforce NXS zerostop 8-32x56 purchased new as well) and it is consistantly shooting 6-7 inches left at 25 YARDS!!!! Other than sending it to Savage (3-6 week turnaround time) any suggestions? The windage dial on all scopes tested (Burris 3-9x40, Trijicon ACOG, Nightforce mentioned above) has to be maxed counter clockwise just to zero at 25 yards. I have no room to adjust longer shots if needed. Factory Ammo (Federal 155 gr) 40 rounds have been shot through it. How can ths gun bore sight evenly with a laser but shoot so far to the left? Any help is much appreciated. I'm thinking there is a barrel issue or muzzle brake issue. Thoughts, comments?

-Extremely frustrated

[Whiterabbit]

so.... it shoots so far to the left at 25 yards you cannot zero windage at any distance, except 50 yards, where you can boresight your groups in with no issues with plenty of adjustment in all directions?

Or did you say you can boresight without issue, which may or may not have anything to do with how the rifle shoots whatsoever, confirming with no rounds down range or any indication where the rifle shoots at all, and then, after that, try to shoot 25 yards and have issues?

My first thought is bore sighting means nothing for you (for this rifle). Next I would be looking for copper deposition on the brake, muzzle face, down the bore, checking the barrel contact in the stock at the foreend tip, looking at the scope rail mount, and after that I would probably be very puzzled.

[Whiterabbit]

did you shoot anything past 25 yards? once zeroed ther,e was it at zero at 50 and 100? how far did you go then quit since you (as you say) have no adjustability?

[In My Cold Dead Hands]

150 yards and it was zeroed still but windage was still adjusted all the way out counter clockwise. I should say there was absolutely no wind that day ay Sac Valley Shooting Center. It zeroed fine with laser with plenty of adjustment availability but the shots were off at 25 yards with no adjustment availabilty left meaning the dial was turned all the way out counter clockwise...

[HkUSP45]

Are you using factory rounds or reloads?

[In My Cold Dead Hands]

factory Federal 155 grain

[UberPatriot]

Have someone else shoot it, see if you get the same results, you could be jerking the rifle when you pull the trigger.

Check your scope mount and rings, they could be loose or crooked.

Center your scopes windage first then sight it in.
Turn the windage all the way to the right but don't force it,
then count the clicks going all the way left, then divide the number of clicks in half and click to the right that number of clicks.

[killshot44]

No bore-mounter laser sighter will be 100% aligned with the bore of the barrel. They're good for an approximation for those who have difficulty lining up on a 25yd target and adjusting the scope to center. (Nothing wrong with that, helps with some guns)

If you're sure the base and rings are properly mounted if could be that the base holes are out of line with the bore.

[billt]

If you're sure the base and rings are properly mounted if could be that the base holes are out of line with the bore.

This ^^^^^^^^

I had the same issue with my Savage 10 FP in .308. Actually I had 2 problems with it. First was it did not come with plug screws in the scope base screw holes. So the threads were full of that spray on matte finish coating crap they spray the gun with. I had to take it to a gunsmith and pay him $25.00 to re tap all of the holes out so I could get screws into them.

Then after that, I found after I mounted the base, scope, and rings, the scope was severely out of line with the bore to the left. Well beyond the windage adjustment of the scope. The solution was using Burris Signature Rings with the offset mounting inserts. These offset rings come in matched pairs in .005 / .010 / and .020 sizes. They can be used vertically, diagonally, or on a 45 degree angle combining both. It brought my scope into perfect alignment with the scope windage adjustment on center.

To me this was a far better solution than sending the gun back, or having the holes redrilled. These rings and inserts provide fantastic holding power without marring up your scope tube. It also gives you the option to set your scope up so you can zero in at 100 yards by using most of your downward elevation adjustment. This in turn will allow you far more "UP" elevation adjustment, to hold dead on at much greater ranges. Trust me, these rings will solve your problem, and you will love them. What's amazing to me is that no one else came up with this idea long before Burris did.

http://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=Burris+Signature+Zee+Rings

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/712472/burris-1-signature-ring-pos-align-offset-inserts-installation-kit-005-010-and-020

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/321822/burris-1-signature-rings-pos-align-offset-inserts-gunsmith-kit

[dozer wright]

Twp questions are you getting one hole groups or rounds all over? If your not getting one hole groups here is why. I own the same rifle it is awesome,here are my experience. Use nothing but 180 grain or heavier bullets, stay away from any round with the poly tip. When mag fed the tip gets bent My Ba 110 Prefers 180 grain Blackhills. It will easily make 1 hole groups at 100 yards, with 180 grain. I put 155 Federal in it and couldnt hit paper. If your bore sighting and laser are dead on and match switch to a 180 grain. I have also had a lot of problems with lasers . Pull the bolt and bore sight. I have a couple of the shell looking ones. That,go in the chamber. the 223 one works excellent and is dead on the 308 not even close.
Pm me if you have any questions dont get frustrated.

[MongooseV8]

What happens when you bore sight it at 100+ yards? Your situation sounds extreme.

[MongooseV8]

To clarify when I say bore sight I mean take the bolt out and center the bore on your target then look through your scope.

[dreyna14]

If you've checked that everything is tight and fit properly I would look at the error in the laser boresight. With a laser, once you boresight, rotate the laser in the bore 180 degrees. If the boresight is aligned properly, the dot shouldn't move in the scope. However, if it is off, it will follow an arc in the field of view. Mine does this by about one mil at 100 yards. It can still be aligned by figuring out the diamter of the arc and adjusting for half that distance. I've done this and it was dead on nuts. Other suggestion is to pull the bolt out and sight down the barrel. It can work just as well. My RPR was 5" left and 1" low on it's first shot at 100 yards after sighting down the barrel.

[In My Cold Dead Hands]

i don't think Im explaining this correct or thorough enough. The laser sight that I have fits in the chamber it looks like a .300 win mag bullet but shoots a laser out of it. I use the term bore site because the laser is streaming down the bore of the firearm. If I can get this zeroed with all 3 scopes and have plenty of windage adjustment in each direction from the laser dot, how can live bullets be shooting so far to the left? There has got to be something going on in the barrel, muzzle end, or muzzle brake in my opinion. From a ballistics standpoint, I get that 155 grain ammo is probably not the best but should not be shooting that far to the left at 25 yards. If the factory screw taps were off, then wouldn't that also show up when sighting the scope in with the laser dot? Also, ON EACH SCOPE, I have to turn the windage dial all the way out for the scope to zero live shots at 25 yards. Please understand I was able to get all 3 scopes zeroed with live rounds but had no windage adjustment left as the dial on all 3 scopes was completely turned out counter clockwise. So if I want to take a 500 yard shot but have wind, I would have no compensation left as all dials were turned completely out...

[billt]

Forget the laser, or any other type of mechanical boresighter. They are not needed on a bolt action rifle. Do as Mongoose suggests. Pull the bolt out and boresight down the bore itself with your naked eye with the rifle solidly in a rest. Then look through the scope with your maximum adjustable windage cranked into it. If both the barrel and scope are close at that point, you most likely have improperly drilled base screws.

If that's the case you then have 2 choices. Re drill them, or go with the Burris rings and inserts I linked you to.