Bolt action battle rifles

[mj1]

7.62X51

[sonofeugene]

That thing is gorgeous.

1. How's the flash hider?
2. Trigger
3. Overall accuracy

Thanks.

Don't really know how effective the hider is. Never compared it with anything.

The trigger is pretty nice for a factory trigger. Smooth, about the right pull, and breaks nicely and predictably.

Better than I am. Many MVP owners are getting sub MOA.

[ChuckDizzle]

A SHTF bolt action battle rifle in case semi-autos are banned...

Antis plan/strategy is coming along nicely.

Not really, I find a ban on semi auto rifles to be unlikely, but as I explained it got me thinking about the effectiveness of the manually operated platform of rifles in the right hands, and if I could achieve that level of speed and precision myself with enough practice.

Would you accuse someone who is into black powder, or even cowboy action shoots as playing into some nefarious anti-gun plan?

[ChuckDizzle]

I'm putting this .308 build together:

Magpul Hunter 700 stock
Defiance Deviant Tactical Action
Timney Trigger
PROOF Research 16.5" carbon fiber-wrapped barrel
JEC Customs muzzle brake

That'll be my California-SHTF-truck-gun

AR's are great and I like mine, but I don't feel undergunned with a bolt action.

Now I need to figure out the optic...optimal would be something fast enough for CQB, with minimal parallax, but with milradian hash marks or holdovers. Hoping to find that in one optic, but guessing I'll have to pair a mini red dot with glass.

Check out the Leupold website and build it. Their custom shop is truly awesome and there are more options available on every scope than you might realize.

I would personally go with something like 1-4x with a fine duplex reticle and exposed ballistic turrets with milrad adjustments with markings for NATO ammo at an average altitude for your part of CA. Some might want higher magnification for longer range, but I find the superior optical clarity, for the cost, on lower power scopes make up lack of magnification and I sometimes have trouble with scope wink and eye relief on the more powerful optics.

[LBDamned]

Not really, I find a ban on semi auto rifles to be unlikely, but as I explained it got me thinking about the effectiveness of the manually operated platform of rifles in the right hands, and if I could achieve that level of speed and precision myself with enough practice.

Would you accuse someone who is into black powder, or even cowboy action shoots as playing into some nefarious anti-gun plan?

My post was based off you first post... If you're gonna change mid-stream, then it another topic.

[ChuckDizzle]

My post was based off you first post... If you're gonna change mid-stream, then it another topic.

"All the talk of a statewide ban on semi-automatic rifles got me thinking about the effectiveness of a bolt action rifle for run and gun/defense purposes etc."

I said almost the exact same thing in my original post. You are the one who made your own assumptions because you are obsessed with the politics of guns.

This is obviously a hobbyist thread, please go back to the 2A activism forums to satisfy your obsession. If you have anything constructive to add on gear or drills and challenges for this hobby project then please do.

[LBDamned]

"All the talk of a statewide ban on semi-automatic rifles got me thinking about the effectiveness of a bolt action rifle for run and gun/defense purposes etc."

I said almost the exact same thing in my original post. You are the one who made your own assumptions because you are obsessed with the politics of guns.

This is obviously a hobbyist thread, please go back to the 2A activism forums to satisfy your obsession. If you have anything constructive to add on gear or drills and challenges for this hobby project then please do.

Whatever makes you feel better.

[ScottsBad]

I'm sure someone must have mentioned the idea of a pump rifle instead. Right?

[ScottsBad]

How about a pump .308. Ares?

[ChuckDizzle]

I'm sure someone must have mentioned the idea of a pump rifle instead. Right?

Yes, but I commented that I felt it would be cheating the challenge for this project for me. If I were to limit the challenge specifically to manual operation vs. semi-auto I would absolutely use a pump action or straight pull conversion from something like an AR-15.

The historical transition in standard issue infantry military rifles from bolt action to semi-auto is more of what I'm exploring down this rabbit hole.

[Guardian Mode]

Savage Hog Hunter and call it a day

This.^

Well, get it in a Boyds walnut stock with no extras.
Just milspec-style from a century ago.

And throw on a sling of your choosing, then you're done.

Internal bling mag, no losing mags on the "battlefield".
Already comes with iron sights, so don't even bother putting glass on.
Has a nice round, durable knob for "tactical" use.
Also threaded for that flash hider. You know....more tactical.
But seriously, it's friggin' cool. Hasty sling, standing, and banging steel with my match loads is serious fun.

[ChuckDizzle]

I like everything about the Hog Hunter but the limited capacity and lack of magazines. The price is certainly right too.

At least two of you seem to think this is an advantage and have concerns about lost magazines. I'm curious as to this thought process as I never had trouble keeping track of my magazines in any training scenarios or combat I've experienced. Is this really a big problem for some people?

[NapalmCheese]

I like everything about the Hog Hunter but the limited capacity and lack of magazines. The price is certainly right too.

At least two of you seem to think this is an advantage and have concerns about lost magazines. I'm curious as to this thought process as I never had trouble keeping track of my magazines in any training scenarios or combat I've experienced. Is this really a big problem for some people?

Two is one, one is none.
For the most part a bolt action rifle with a detachable magazine will only come with one magazine. Magazines for them are typically expensive. If that magazine is lost or damaged feeding that rifle is extremely difficult.

Stripper clips are lighter, cheaper, and quick enough for most people.

If only the savage had a stripper clip guide.

edit to add:
As a soldier or Marine you have an entire supply chain behind you. If you lose a mag or break a spring you can usually get another one. As a civilian looking for a 'bolt action battle rifle' you probably won't have that supply chain behind you if you have to use your bolt action rifle for battle.

[CPRAFAN]

Converted Lee-Enfield?

Some companies will convert the Enfield into 7.62x39 or .45 ACP - google for more info.

Although .303 British ammo is not as common on the market as it used to be, IMHO, a No4. Mk1 or Mk2 Lee-Enfield rifle is hard to beat. Very fast-operating bolt cycle, excellent sights, 10-rd detachable magazine, and a powerful accurate round at close and long ranges.

[200Apples]

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16" barrel Ruger Gunsite Scout .308 - 3, 5 or 10-rd detachable box mags. Factory ghost ring irons make center hits on 100 yd 12" steel easy as pie, offhand. Don't sweat the [Edit: 50 fps] loss from an 18 incher. This rifle is both light(er) and surprisingly soft-shooting for .308. 100% reliable.






18" barrel CZ 527 Carbine 7.62 X 39 - 5-rd DBM. Factory irons are decent enough but this carbine can be conventionally-scoped.