AR pistol pic thread

[0311Doc]

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that I was ex military. You misunderstood my statement. Your service is still greatly appreciated!

BTW, welcome to CalGuns!

Lol...it's all a big misunderstanding. Send me back in the sand box.

[0311Doc]

Bottomline is, I'm the proud owner of these weapons and I'm responsible for what ever I chose to do with them. It is what it is, we're all subject to California State law and I completely respect that. I was merely exercising my right to use my imagination. Peace!

[Jefe]

correct, because even if CA considered it to be a second handgrip, it wouldn't matter due to the fixed mag.

That would apply to VHG as well, right?

[EBR Works]

That would apply to VHG as well, right?

A vertical forward grip installed on a pistol would create an AOW Federally. You would need a trust/corporation and a tax stamp to own this configuration legally in California.

[Jefe]

A vertical forward grip installed on a pistol would create an AOW Federally. You would need a trust/corporation and a tax stamp to own this configuration legally in California.

I thought that since the magazine is fixed(bullet button) then it wouldn't matter if the CDOJ thought that a AFG or in this scenario a VFG was ruled as such, since it's not a "pistol." Isn't it the same wording that allows a threaded barrel or a magazine outside of the pistol grip? Or is the VFG a fed ruling? What is the fed ruling on firearms with fixed magazines?

[EBR Works]

A VFG on a pistol with or without a non-detachable mag creates an AOW at the Federal level. The AFG does not, as confirmed by BATFE.

[tacticalcity]

A VFG on a pistol with or without a non-detachable mag creates an AOW at the Federal level. The AFG does not, as confirmed by BATFE.

That is going to be one of those questions (or sources of confusion) that never goes away. Which is only natural, they could not have made the regulations more convoluted if they tried...and I am pretty sure they tried.

[ke6guj]

Its pretty simple, ATF says that if you install a VFG on a handgun, it creates an AOW (even though they have lost in court with that position). they have also said that installing an AFG does not create an AOW. detachable mag or fixed mag does not matter federally.

CA law is completely separate from that. on pistols, the only time that CA regulates a "second handgrip" is when it is on a semi-automatic pistol that has a detachable magazine. If you have a fixed mag, you can have all the "second handgrips" you want on a handgun without violating state law. YOu still have to comply with federal law, but that is only a tax stamp away from being federally legal.

[mspiredm3]

Do you have to have a BB on a pistol?

[aatruong]

sans afg

photo 3.jpg

[ke6guj]

Do you have to have a BB on a pistol?

depends on the configuration of the pistol.

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

[KaLiFORNIA]

More pics, getting ready for my 1st ar pistol. Inspire me!

[atomicwedgy]

ok so i buy an ar pistol. with bb. with sled mag, from an out of state dealer. I have it shipped to an FFL by me for a transfer. Am I legally able to change the sled mag to a 10 round unit for use? It now being a pistol, with an afg, with a bb, and a 10 round mag.

[atomicwedgy]

Here's how it works to be able to DROS a complete AR-style pistol in CA. It is first converted to a single shot, for example, by locking in a single shot magazine. If the pistol has a barrel that is at least 6 inches long and an overall length of 10.5 inches and is single shot, it is exempt from the CA handgun roster and can be DROS'd. Once in your possesion, the magazine can be removed using whatever tool necessary and a bullet button put in place. Now as long as you don't do anything that makes illegal such a attaching a vertical forward grip, adding a stock or using a greater than 10 shot mag, you have a legal pistol. Since it's your pistol you can convert it to semi-auto as you please, and it doesn't fall under the law that prevents manufacturing weapons.

I know this as I have one at my FFL to be DROS'd as soon as I get back to CA from NC (tomorrow).

Jeff

Ok and this has been beat to death but I would like to educate myself. Thank you for bearing with me. When you say "Since it's your pistol you can convert it to semi-auto as you please", what does that entail. Wouldnt that mean just installing a fixed 10 round magazine since the pistol is already semi automatic? Thanks in advance..

[EBR Works]

Wouldnt that mean just installing a fixed 10 round magazine since the pistol is already semi automatic? Thanks in advance..

That's it. It's that simple.