Question on Glock 36, round count, and 9mm vs .45ACP

[JohnCCW]

Bad Caselaw nailed it.
Smaller is always better with similar calibers, when you're talking CCW.
I have no reason to buy a G36, when I already own a G27 (and a G29).
I would take the G27 over the G36 any day.
Unless you have some love affair with the 45ACP cartridge, it's a no-brainer.
40S&W in 165gr., or less, loaded hot will be in 45ACP class energy, with 40% more rounds in a G27.

[JohnCCW]

How well does that "Wonder Nine" do if you put some bones in that ballistic gelatin?
Can't beat the laws of physics.

[smittty]

I like 15+1 or 17+1, if I must single stack, I got an xds.

I extend the thinking behind this thread to most of my pistols. Generally I want the most efficient "package" that we're allowed to have which for most of us in Cali is 10+1 regardless of how many rounds a gun/magazine are designed to hold.

That's going to be 10+1 rounds 45acp and the Glock 30 and XD45 Compact are the lightest packages that holds this many rounds. They might be the same size as the G19 but as it applies to most of us here in California it's 10+1 rounds 45 acp vs 10+1 rounds 9mm.

The empty space in the magazine isn't worth is weight unless it's a range toy in which case any pistol can be justified.

This topic is about round count in ccw size guns. For this I want the lightest weight package and if that means sacrificing 1 round I can accept that. The lightest weight guns have a capacity of 5 shots (j-frame Airweight). From there you increase weight as you increase capacity which is were the 380's and 9mm's come into the equation.

Choosing one that you shoot well and are you're confident with is the tough part. Did any of you guys choose your ccw based on how quickly and accurately you can get the first few shots on target?

[.45 ACP]

Sorry if the title sounds loaded... the question has more to do with round count than "stopping power".

I've had my eye on a Glock 36 for quite a while now (especially if the Peruta case creates changes in CCW permits). It makes sense to me because I've already got a 1911 and would only need to buy one caliber of ammo. I've held one and it feels great in hand. Haven't had a chance to shoot one yet.

All the research I've done online notes - very specifically - that the Glock 36 is limited by its small round count (being 6 + 1). Most comparisons say to either get the Glock 30 or get a 9mm/.40 with higher round count (like a Glock 26/27 for example).

My question is this: why would people worry about the Glock 36's 6+1 round count of .45ACP when it seems people are flocking to the M&P Shield (7+1, 8+1), Various Kahrs in 9mm (6+1,7+1), and XDs (7+1, 8+1).

Now I do realize that the Glock 36 is slightly bigger in size than the aforementioned 9mm, but those round counts are very similar. Am I missing something?

Glock 36 (or other 45 carry) because




I carry as big as I can without printing. Pocket 9mm are pointless IMO if you can conceal a .45

[zero_shot]

Everyone in this thread made some really great, knowledgeable posts. I am loving the fact that people have some form of evidence to bring to the table with their talk.

There are clearly too many trains of thought on the subject, all of which could be correct.

For those that were comparing the double stack glocks in 9 or 40, thank you for your insight. However, the round count concern I was originally asking about was for the limited capacity (under 10 round limit) 9mm handguns that everyone seems to be lusting after.

You all make calguns a great resource by the way.

[Strykeback]

I think a lot of the capacity issues are obviously mute since we are in CA but looking at super slim so single stack rarely breaks the 10 round barrier. One thing I can attest to, practicing with friends 45s and 40s makes the follow up shots and recoil management of my 9 like shooting a 22.

Best thread that hasn't turned into a caliber debate on here in a long time.

[bountyhunter]

LAPD hits their target about 30% of the time. How much firearms training do you have? Are you as trained or better trained than the typical LAPD officer?

Can't swear to what LAPD does, but if you shoot more than twice a year then you are better trained than the cops in my city's PD.

[crufflers]

One thing I can attest to, practicing with friends 45s and 40s makes the follow up shots and recoil management of my 9 like shooting a 22.

Size of the gun makes a difference. If I ever got a Glock 36 I would not expect it to be pleasant to shoot. I wouldn't describe my 30S as pleasant. It is fine, but it is not everyone's idea of a good time The 41 is a pu$$ycat and so is the steel IMI Beagle .45. I don't have any small .40's so mine are pleasant.

I'd take a Shield 9mm with the 7 round mag over most any handgun that size or bigger (for concealing), I just like owning other options. Variety is good and it is good to shoot lots of very different things well.

[Port Authority]

Size of the gun makes a difference. If I ever got a Glock 36 I would not expect it to be pleasant to shoot. I wouldn't describe my 30S as pleasant. It is fine, but it is not everyone's idea of a good time The 41 is a pu$$ycat and so is the steel IMI Beagle .45. I don't have any small .40's so mine are pleasant.

I'd take a Shield 9mm with the 7 round mag over most any handgun that size or bigger (for concealing), I just like owning other options. Variety is good and it is good to shoot lots of very different things well.

I'm enjoying my Bar-Sto 4.6 inch G36 barrel.

It makes it a kittykat.

It takes the snarl out and picks up the ballistics so I don't have to shoot +p's, which is really the benefit.

And it still hides well.

Supers, on a stiffer spring, are for flinch training.

Port

[Strykeback]

Is the 36 a world's difference then the 30? A friends glock 22 I would describe as jumpy and snappy compared to amother friends 45 in ruger polymer or 45 as a 1911 Where it's more of a smooth push back. Don't know of anywhere to rent either.

Completely agree on the size and weight having a key part, but then some say the 26 jumps since it's so small and I didn't notice it move at all and feel like it shoots as smooth as a 17.

[Bad Caselaw]

Is the 36 a world's difference then the 30? A friends glock 22 I would describe as jumpy and snappy compared to amother friends 45 in ruger polymer or 45 as a 1911 Where it's more of a smooth push back. Don't know of anywhere to rent either...

I have both a G23/.40 and a G36/.45ACP, and shoot .40/180 gr. and .45ACP +P/230 gr respectively.

Both have ~ 4" Bbls, weigh ~ the same empty, and produce ~ 400 lb-ft of energy at the muzzle. Both are sub-sonic.

The .40 is higher pressure and a little faster. It is a little snappier at the muzzle because if it.

...if you can tell at all.




Caselaw

[bountyhunter]

Do you understand the difference between shooting and training?

SFPD only shoots twice a year, 50 rounds each time, but they got 40 hours of firearms training in the academy.

Great. They sit on their butts in class and that is supposed to train them for shooting their weapons. No wonder the hit rates are in the 20's.

Reminds me of a hilarious old movie called the Music man where a scam artist came to town and told the people he could form a marching band and teach their kids to play by using the "think system" where they all sat around thinking about playing an instrument.

whatever

I wonder why the Front Sight acadamey's idea of training for LE's involves a three day course where thousands of rounds are actually fired. What a bizarre concept: learn how to shoot guns by shooting guns.

[Ruby]

Question on Glock 36, round count, and 9mm vs .45ACP

This is a great thread with a lot of good information. Most know that the Glock 27 is the same form factor as the Glock 26 and similar to the other doublestack compact sized Glock weapons. The Glock 36 is unique. The 36 slide is the same width as the Glock 26 and Glock 27 slide. The Glock 36 frame is also the same width as the Glock 26 and Glock 27 slide. That makes the Glock 36 frame about 2.5 mm thinner than the other doublestack subcompact Glocks. I recommend anyone giving it a try at the range.