Glock Reliability

[himurax13]

I've owned at least one of each of CZ's metal 75's. You can claim your home brew trigger is that good but that just tells me you haven't experienced enough CZ triggers. A single action 75 trigger can be tuned pretty well but not so doable on DA/SA especially a decocker version. I know because I owned many of them, paid for trigger jobs and did my own trigger jobs.

I also don't care to pay for custom holsters. Why, when choosing a G19 allows you probably more holster options than any other gun of similar size.

LOL, well your assumption would be incorrect. I used to run my single action CZ75 Shadow with a 1.5 lb trigger for years without issues. I have modded several different CZ's during that time as well.

I totally agree with you about the decocker CZ's. They will usually have a slightly longer reset and break than the manual safety models. I also can't get them to detonate primers reliably with the really light springs. Plus you need to be careful modifying the hammer, it doesn't take much to go too far. I simply do not care for them at all.

However I will disagree with you about the manual safety models. Both of my SP01's, one Shadow and one regular, have phenomenaly smooth 4.5/2.5 lb triggers with CGW parts, especially the CGW Disco and hammer. I have impressed multiple STI owners with them.

With the amount of money I have spent on equipment, the cost of a custom holster is just a drop in the bucket.

What annoys me about a glock is that even after dropping $250 to upgrade the trigger, it really doesn't feel that much better than stock. Sure, its lighter and a little smoother, but even a stock PPQ feels better. I have also noticed that heavily modifying a glock can reduce its reliability while I have found the opposite to be true about CZ's. The glock magazine release is another huge annoyance of mine. That being said, I still have more glocks than cz based pistols, lol.

[tonyxcom]

I just don't like glocks, I have a few and I'm not really crazy about them, I get that they're reliable and fairly accurate they're just not my thing...don't know how to explain it really

It's just how it is. I happen to love Glocks. I don't really care for 1911's. They just don't do anything for me. The entire design. I wouldn't pass up a smoking deal on one though.

[smittty]

himurax13,

Ok maybe we have similar experience with them but neither are "perfect" and everyone will have preferences and annoyances.

I dislike having to buy a trigger to make the gun acceptable. Only my PCR was acceptable out of the box. All the rest even the 97 needed money and time to get them to be acceptable to me.

If someone is looking for a perfect gun neither brands will satisfy but for an off-the-shelf purchase with plentifuly supply of accessories the G19 is ahead by large margin.

And I still don't really care for Glocks, I just recognize that they are good for the money. My house gun is a stock G19 gen 3 with a strip of grip tape on the front strap. I don't care if I scratch it, drop it, wreck it, etc., if I need to for any reason replace it I'll just get another one and it will most likely feel and shoot exactly the same, it will probably cost the same too. You just done get that with many guns.

[himurax13]

himurax13,

Ok maybe we have similar experience with them but neither are "perfect" and everyone will have preferences and annoyances.

I dislike having to buy a trigger to make the gun acceptable. Only my PCR was acceptable out of the box. All the rest even the 97 needed money and time to get them to be acceptable to me.

If someone is looking for a perfect gun neither brands will satisfy but for an off-the-shelf purchase with plentifuly supply of accessories the G19 is ahead by large margin.

And I still don't really care for Glocks, I just recognize that they are good for the money. My house gun is a stock G19 gen 3 with a strip of grip tape on the front strap. I don't care if I scratch it, drop it, wreck it, etc., if I need to for any reason replace it I'll just get another one and it will most likely feel and shoot exactly the same, it will probably cost the same too. You just done get that with many guns.

I totally feel you. Every single CZ I have ever purchased had a teribbly long, gritty trigger with a bit of creep on the side. That is fine with me for two reasons. First, it help skeep the rift raft away . Second, when you are done, the difference is extremely noticeable. Without the CZC and CGW, I doubt the CZ75 would be competitive.

Gen 3 Glock triggers are fairly acceptable out of the box. With some minor work, they turn out to be decent.

The Gen 4's, on the other hand are simply awful. The 34 and 35 I picked up were bad but the 41 I just picked up had the worst Glock trigger I have ever felt. The 34 and 35 have all of the Glockworx mods and I feel that they are OK, but not great. Since I am limited on funds at the moment, I limited my modifications to the 41 to polishing, grip tape, and a cheap set of nightsights from fleabay. Hopefully on the next outing it will live up to all of the postive reviews I have seen, or maybe I am just too picky.

I spent yesterday evening fondling my recently paroled Elite Match and I must say that is one fine pistol. Nevermind that the sights and grips suck and the front rail is a little sharp, but it probably has one of the best out of the box triggers I have ever had the pleasure of dry firing. It is a tad heavy at 4 lbs for a single action trigger, but the break is crisp and the reset is nice and short. The rails are smooth as glass and the fit and finish are excellent. I wish I would have picked a few of them a few years ago but the poor customer service at EAA is legendary and the aftermarket support is extremely limited.

[sonofeugene]

I have 3 GEN 4 9mm's (17/19/34) with about 11k rounds through them collectively. All of them have the early "problem" parts in them, and I've had zero issues. For every reliability complaint you see, there are thousands of Glock 19 owners out there that have had no problems. Take what you read on the Internet with a grain of salt. There will always be more people posting about problematic guns than people posting about guns that function properly, and that's not limited to Glocks. If I had listened to the Internet, I never would have bought a GEN 4 G17, much less a 19 & 34.

This. I bought a Glock for my HD gun because of its overwhelming reputation for reliability.

[xxINKxx]

My 17 has somewhere around 4 thousand or more (don't keep too much track) rounds through it. Not a crazy high number. But it's been dead reliable 100%. Since there has been a few recent posts about glock parts breaking, like the trigger spring is very common apparently. I purchased all new OEM springs from lone wolf a couple weeks ago. Not very expensive, like 2 - 3 bucks per spring and 7 for a recoil assembly. Lone wolf offers a nice smooth high polished safety plunger too for Like 3 bucks. Way better then those crap titanium plungers.

Only took 15 mins of my time to do it all. Like giving your car a tune up. And honestly afterwards you can instantlt feel it's more solid/crisp by racking/dry firing.

[himurax13]

My 17 has somewhere around 4 thousand or more (don't keep too much track) rounds through it. Not a crazy high number. But it's been dead reliable 100%. Since there has been a few recent posts about glock parts breaking, like the trigger spring is very common apparently. I purchased all new OEM springs from lone wolf a couple weeks ago. Not very expensive, like 2 - 3 bucks per spring and 7 for a recoil assembly. Lone wolf offers a nice smooth high polished safety plunger too for Like 3 bucks. Way better then those crap titanium plungers.

Only took 15 mins of my time to do it all. Like giving your car a tune up. And honestly afterwards you can instantlt feel it's more solid/crisp by racking/dry firing.

Whatever you do, do not use those crappy titanium plungers and strikers.

Zev makes skeletonized stainless plungers and extended strikers now.

[xxINKxx]

Whatever you do, do not use those crappy titanium plungers and strikers.

Zev makes skeletonized stainless plungers and extended strikers now.

Mine is mostly all stock minus a ghost 3.5 lb connector. And polished stock parts. I did look into those but they were all crap reviews and the "titanium" just wears away along with the cheap finish. That's why I went with the lone wolf OEM equivilent. Its just more rounded and smooth vs stock. But same quality.

[mag360]

1. Tons of guys on Calguns have never had any training so they dont even know how tobuse their gun properly.

2. They arent using a real Glock Brand Glock with Authentic Glock brand Glock standard magazines. They are using occupied communist territory 10rd restricted capacity magazines that are not as reliable as the original ones. Glock didnt put the engineering in to make them run awesome forcing people to seap followers, springs, smooth out the inside, etc to make them work.

[smittty]

Without the CZC and CGW, I doubt the CZ75 would be competitive.

That's sort of my issue with them.