DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO: Trigger Pull & Gun Weight

[tonyxcom]

Strength means nothing. We can all pull even a 20lb trigger.

It's what happens to the gun AFTER the trigger breaks. Heavier triggers result in more of your finger influencing what the gun does as the bullet leaves the barrel.

This is precisely why most people suck with heavy triggers.

[M. D. Van Norman]

But a good trigger is still preferred. Almost any fool can jerk the trigger and miss a target at defensive distances.

[yankee-pete]

If lifting/strength measurement doesn't mean **** to a soldier, then I assume you would promote the idea of changing the already low anaerobic requirements, and instead focus more heavily on aerobic capacity...which means cyclists and marathon runners would be equally as effective as someone with the build and strength of a linebacker in modern warfare.

That is to say, the lack of developing explosive ability, the strength to carry an injured comrade to safety, and promote resilient musculoskeletal increases are less important than the ability to jog for several miles at a pave that would easily be overtaken by a bicycle or donkey.

BTW, the elite cross fit athletes don't actually do crossfit the overwhelming majority of the year; they focus on powerlifting and also hiit before tapering for competition.


I made a light hearted inquiry, and you speak with a sense of authority overshadowed only by your sweeping ignorance on the subject.

How many gun battles involve cardio via running or jogging for more than a few minutes at the very most? How many involve shorts (10-30) seconds of running or jogginh, then taking a position? Which energy system is more important in modern warfare: aerobic or anaerobic?

You talk like a 24 hour fitness trainer. Very little true knowledge but a lot of jargon. Your question was about about trigger weight and you call others ignorant. Thats awesome! You clearly have no idea about the difference between triggers and what makes one better than another. That is ok, but don't come on here flexing and getting mad when others call you out.

Oh, and yes. I do lift. And I prefer a smooth 3-4 pound trigger.

[mansysinatra]

Thing can get heavy over time. I'm 6'7 and 270 Pound. I'm in the gym almost every day. I took a shot gun training class over the summer and I was running an FN SLP Mark1 with the 22inch barrel. It's amazing how heavy 8-10 pounds can seem during a training class.

I actually changed my workout. I now workout with less weight but more reps. I want to more closely simulate running an AR or Shot Gun and the muscles involved.

I try to follow Pat McNamara's workout and do at least 20 reps per set. It's frigin hard even with lite weight. My workout use to be more about heavy weight and less reps for mass.

Are you familiar at all with high intensity interval training? Something like doing linear progression for strength and one or two days of pushing a prowler?

While I understand wanting training, muscle specificity for carryover doesn't really work. Powercleaning 500 vs 200. Who will hit harder, given the same level of skill?

Thank you for actually responding.

[mansysinatra]

But a good trigger is still preferred. Almost any fool can jerk the trigger and miss a target at defensive distances.

Yes, I agree. Nowhere did I refute the paramount importance of trigger skill.

I've seen women that have a hard time pulling the trigger and or dealing with recoil. Strength definitely helps.

My focus was if the weight difference was significant enough to have a detrimental effect on using the gun.

[mansysinatra]

You talk like a 24 hour fitness trainer. Very little true knowledge but a lot of jargon. Your question was about about trigger weight and you call others ignorant. Thats awesome! You clearly have no idea about the difference between triggers and what makes one better than another. That is ok, but don't come on here flexing and getting mad when others call you out.

Oh, and yes. I do lift. And I prefer a smooth 3-4 pound trigger.

Thank you for addressing my questions like an intelligent person.

[davidb]

If you already have the muscle strength of the average 10 year old boy, there's no strength training needed to be a good shooter...you aren't supposed to be yanking the trigger with gorilla finger strength while making your knuckles white trying to choke the life out of the pistol.

90lb men or women with decent amount of trigger time will out shoot the pants off of the musclebound guy doing his reps of trigger jerks


As to the armed forces comment...they aren't training in physical exercise for their 2lb pistol or it's trigger weught...they have to be fit to lug around huge amounts of gear, walk long distances with gear and weapons, drag a geared up buddy out of danger if wounded etc.

[mansysinatra]

Strength means nothing. We can all pull even a 20lb trigger.

It's what happens to the gun AFTER the trigger breaks. Heavier triggers result in more of your finger influencing what the gun does as the bullet leaves the barrel.

This is precisely why most people suck with heavy triggers.

The fact there is a measurement of resistance tells us that strength measurement is meaningful.

People with arthritis, or the elderly can benefit greatly from strength. I'm not focusing specifically on fit males. Think outside of this websites core audience.

[Condorguns]

OP I think I can see why in your words you suck. Good trigger operating has little to do with strength. A good trigger pull is all about finesse, a smooth ride, and a little surprise at the end. Strength is the wrong approach, what you need to develop is style. Trigger endurance for the longer shooting sessions is built with practice.
Put the weights down and get some real trigger time under your belt.

Ps. The above doesn't apply to the old Derringer models. I swear it feels like you have to stand on that trigger to make it fire.

[pluke the 2]

Ya this guy will last about 2 months on calguns. ...

You've all been trolled

[mansysinatra]

If you already have the muscle strength of the average 10 year old boy, there's no strength training needed to be a good shooter...you aren't supposed to be yanking the trigger with gorilla finger strength while making your knuckles white trying to choke the life out of the pistol.

90lb men or women with decent amount of trigger time will out shoot the pants off of the musclebound guy doing his reps of trigger jerks


As to the armed forces comment...they aren't training in physical exercise for their 2lb pistol or it's trigger weught...they have to be fit to lug around huge amounts of gear, walk long distances with gear and weapons, drag a geared up buddy out of danger if wounded etc.

Your last sentences agree with me. The point of the boy being good enough contradicts the earlier poster (270lber) about needing to refocus his training.

Although, some of us are thinking about extended gun battles and others about typical self defense scenario s

[tonyxcom]

The fact there is a measurement of resistance tells us that strength measurement is meaningful.

People with arthritis, or the elderly can benefit greatly from strength. I'm not focusing specifically on fit males. Think outside of this websites core audience.

What are you even talking about anymore?

[Condorguns]

Ya this guy will last about 2 months on calguns. ...

You've all been trolled

We know. . We are placing bets on how long before the shirtless bathroom selfie gets posted.

[davidb]

In an extended gunfight where you might need to carry buddies out, sure it matters, although your OP didn't mention anything about combat, just that you feel you don't need a light trigger because you are strong.

There are small women and young boys who will out shoot strong military veterans in both target plinking and run and gun type shooting...what do you draw from that?

To add to the arthritis point...a light trigger may allow someone with arthritis to shoot where they may not be able to with a heavy trigger. One without arthritis is going to benefit from the lighter trigger. There is no good reason for a heavy trigger, but if you want to use fitness to justify a terrible trigger, that's all fine and dandy but you're only lying to yourself.

[M. D. Van Norman]