DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO: Trigger Pull & Gun Weight

[ruchik]

Im new and have shot a few guns, and about 200 rounds through an SD9VE.

I've heard a lot of things about how the trigger pull is too heavy on this gun and others. It does not feel remotely difficult to pull the trigger.


Likewise, I've heard the Hi Point C9 is a heavy gun. I've only held it. It felt comfortable and while it felt heavier to other guns, it did not feel heavy at all.


I used to be into road bike and am very familiar with weight weenies and whatnot. I cant imagine a person with the ability to deadlift over 200 lbs would actually find a 6-12lb trigger pull heavy. Likewise, I cant imagine the same person, including the ability to bench 90lbs or more, claiming the Hi Point as heavy.

Again, not comparing relatively. Am I all alone here?

Yes, you are alone here.

I think you're misunderstanding something, as you mentioned that you are new. When people talk about heavy trigger pulls, and they have difficulty pulling the trigger, they are usually not talking about the amount of physical effort required to pull the trigger. You see, the heavier a trigger pull is, the more and more likely it becomes that the gun will start shaking or moving right before the shot breaks. That's why many shooters who try DA semi-autos or revolvers tend to throw their shots; not because the pulls themselves are physically too heavy to pull, but because the extra force required to get the trigger moving also makes the gun shake.

Weight isn't about one time or momentary use. A 2-3lb handgun gets pretty damn heavy after wearing it all day. Your hip will feel it. Why do you think so many LEO retire with bad backs? Because they're weenies who never lift? NO, it's because the combined weight of the gear on their belts adds up over time. And an 8 lb rifle gets REALLY damn heavy after about 10 minutes of holding it. Hold your rifle out at arms' length, and see how long you can hold it. No problem? Well then shoulder it and aim it at something, see how long it takes for your sights to start trembling due to arm fatigue.

[uhlan1]

I wonder who the OP was in his last life on Calguns.

[tonyxcom]

I don't know but this guy makes CK_32's posts look like a dinosaur.

[essjay]

[someoneeasy]

Man, this thread is delivering tonight.

[jpx0123]

Your last sentences agree with me. The point of the boy being good enough contradicts the earlier poster (270lber) about needing to refocus his training.

Although, some of us are thinking about extended gun battles and others about typical self defense scenario s

i get your point.. but when it comes to trigger work and accuracy its not about strength so much as technique. check out this video below of a 12 year old girl that most definitely can't bench as much or lift or whatever as you or most guys. but she's a very accurate shot. its not about power or strength for accurate shooting. and the people who posted previously are correct the stronger the guy the more work he has to do to break bad habits.

i've noticed shooting skills are like golf skills. its not about power but proper execution of your swing (technique). if you are stronger definitely helps though as long as you have your technique down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZE-EDGw2vo

if you are talking about endurance for long runs of shooting, i will have to agree with you that strength and endurance most assuredly helps. but that doesn't mean you will be an accurate shooter.

[96snake]

Yes, you are alone here.

I think you're misunderstanding something, as you mentioned that you are new. When people talk about heavy trigger pulls, and they have difficulty pulling the trigger, they are usually not talking about the amount of physical effort required to pull the trigger. You see, the heavier a trigger pull is, the more and more likely it becomes that the gun will start shaking or moving right before the shot breaks. That's why many shooters who try DA semi-autos or revolvers tend to throw their shots; not because the pulls themselves are physically too heavy to pull, but because the extra force required to get the trigger moving also makes the gun shake.

Weight isn't about one time or momentary use. A 2-3lb handgun gets pretty damn heavy after wearing it all day. Your hip will feel it. Why do you think so many LEO retire with bad backs? Because they're weenies who never lift? NO, it's because the combined weight of the gear on their belts adds up over time. And an 8 lb rifle gets REALLY damn heavy after about 10 minutes of holding it. Hold your rifle out at arms' length, and see how long you can hold it. No problem? Well then shoulder it and aim it at something, see how long it takes for your sights to start trembling due to arm fatigue.

/thread

[Creampuff]

I have a feeling we are being trolled, but I'm bored, so why not? I'll contribute.

When we are referring to a heavy trigger, or even a heavy gun, this is in reference to fine motor skills. Once adrenaline is pouring through your system, the loss of fine motor skills becomes even more important.

A ten pound trigger doesn't matter if the only measurement is my ability to allow the trigger to break at 10lbs. But if you throw in accuracy and speed as other factors that we measure, then the 10 lb trigger vs 5 lbs is a huge difference. And if it is gritty and heavy, good luck.

Deadlifting 200 lbs has little to do with the ability to master fine motor skills of shooting. If a neurosurgeon said "wow this scalpel sure is dull", I doubt if we would tell him "man up dude, bro, do you even lift? Just force that knife in with more pressure, it will cut!"

[Junbuster]

They see me trollin, they hatin........y'all got GOT.....can't be a serious question

[mansysinatra]

OP I think I can see why in your words you suck. Good trigger operating has little to do with strength. A good trigger pull is all about finesse, a smooth ride, and a little surprise at the end. Strength is the wrong approach, what you need to develop is style. Trigger endurance for the longer shooting sessions is built with practice.
Put the weights down and get some real trigger time under your belt.

Ps. The above doesn't apply to the old Derringer models. I swear it feels like you have to stand on that trigger to make it fire.

I've shot less than 600 rounds. I practice dry firing, and am also am trying to learn to shoot with both eyes open...after reading some links here the other day, I'm thinking of blacking out the rear sights.

Right now I have the finesse of a drunk geriatric, but working on it.

Again, my focus is whether people actually believe that a heavier trigger significantly decreases effectiveness, if one is already a skilled shooter.

[mansysinatra]

Yes, you are alone here.

I think you're misunderstanding something, as you mentioned that you are new. When people talk about heavy trigger pulls, and they have difficulty pulling the trigger, they are usually not talking about the amount of physical effort required to pull the trigger. You see, the heavier a trigger pull is, the more and more likely it becomes that the gun will start shaking or moving right before the shot breaks. That's why many shooters who try DA semi-autos or revolvers tend to throw their shots; not because the pulls themselves are physically too heavy to pull, but because the extra force required to get the trigger moving also makes the gun shake.

Weight isn't about one time or momentary use. A 2-3lb handgun gets pretty damn heavy after wearing it all day. Your hip will feel it. Why do you think so many LEO retire with bad backs? Because they're weenies who never lift? NO, it's because the combined weight of the gear on their belts adds up over time. And an 8 lb rifle gets REALLY damn heavy after about 10 minutes of holding it. Hold your rifle out at arms' length, and see how long you can hold it. No problem? Well then shoulder it and aim it at something, see how long it takes for your sights to start trembling due to arm fatigue.

Regarding the first part: thank you. That makes more sense. As a noob, I've read tons of posts about how heavy certain triggers are on lower priced guns, and they never mention anything regarding accuracy being affected. Then there are the low price gun owners who shoot accurately that dismiss the others as elitists.
From a noob perspective, its somewhat confusing.


For the last part: I disagree about some parts but whatever.

Again, that clarifies it for me. Thanks.

[Creampuff]

Again, my focus is whether people actually believe that a heavier trigger significantly decreases effectiveness, if one is already a skilled shooter.

In a nutshell, yes.

If we are talking target shooting, yes.

If we are talking home defense, still yes. I forget what the LEO hit to miss ratio is with regards to real life shooting. But it isn't pretty, I am not going to MOnday morning quarterback them either. When it comes to real life, life and death situation, when all of a sudden you have a huge adrenaline dump, you are going to need every advantage you can get - a lousy trigger isn't an advantage.

There is a reason why skilled shooters like Todd Jerrett aren't shooting HiPoints. A good trigger makes a difference.

[ElvenSoul]

Just going to put this thread down to roid rage!

[ElvenSoul]

I own 2 high point pistols and 2 carbines

[mansysinatra]

I own 2 high point pistols and 2 carbines

How do you like the carbines?