VP9 at $550 - new value equation?

[dwightlooi]

With the VP9 now selling around $550, is this not now a superior choice to a Glock for most people (due to equal reliability but superior ergonomics)?

This is coming from someone whose first pistol (and only pistol for most of my shooting years) was a Glock 23.

At $700 the VP9 is one thing but when the price becomes essentially equal to a glock I think HK might start to take some major market share here...

No, for one simple reason.

What's the point of having a high capacity 9mm semi-auto if you cannot use high capacity magazines? Kinda defeats the whole purpose of using a double stack gun, no?

The Glock 17 9mm para was imported and sold in the USA since 1985. The Glock 22 in .40 S&W was imported and sold since 1990. The Glock 20 in 10mm since 1991. Before 1994 there was no federal restriction on the import, manufacture or sale of high capacity magazines for any of these guns. Between Sep 1994 and Sep 2004 there was a federal ban on import or manufacture for civilian sale of magazines of >10 round magazines. There was no restriction however on owning, selling, trading or buying magazines imported or made prior to Sep 1994 federally. In California, Jan 1st 2000 saw the ban on the sale and/or transfer >10 magazines. But until Dec 31st 1999 it is entirely legal to buy, sell, own and trade magazines >10 rounds -- presumably imported or domestically manufactured for civilian sales prior to 1994.

If you picked up a bunch of Glock 17, 20 or 22 mags in Dec 1999. You can continue own and shoot a high capacity -- or should I say "standard" capacity -- magazine in a Glock. There is no requirement that you have receipts to prove that you bought them prior to Jan 1st 2000. You can replace some or all parts of the magazines in rebuilds or repairs. Markings on magazines have no legal standing as far as proving or disproving legal ownership.

I am not suggesting that anyone break any laws. But, it is possible for an individual to have legally acquired and own 17 and 15 round mags for Glocks. It is NOT possible for anyone to have done so for a VP9.

[1CavScout]

^^^ So you're never going to buy a new gun that you don't have standard cap mags for? I have a lot of pre-ban Glock mags, and I love my Glocks. That does not mean I am going to limit myself to only buying Glocks or single stack guns. I am fine running 10 round mags in my VP9 in CA, and will have standard mags waiting for me in my safe in AZ. My carry guns are all compact or subcompacts, so I doubt I will ever use the VP9 as a carry gun (or even HD gun) anyways.

[missiontrails]

No, for one simple reason.

What's the point of having a high capacity 9mm semi-auto if you cannot use high capacity magazines? Kinda defeats the whole purpose of using a double stack gun, no?

The Glock 17 9mm para was imported and sold in the USA since 1985. The Glock 22 in .40 S&W was imported and sold since 1990. The Glock 20 in 10mm since 1991. Before 1994 there was no federal restriction on the import, manufacture or sale of high capacity magazines for any of these guns. Between Sep 1994 and Sep 2004 there was a federal ban on import or manufacture for civilian sale of magazines of >10 round magazines. There was no restriction however on owning, selling, trading or buying magazines imported or made prior to Sep 1994 federally. In California, Jan 1st 2000 saw the ban on the sale and/or transfer >10 magazines. But until Dec 31st 1999 it is entirely legal to buy, sell, own and trade magazines >10 rounds -- presumably imported or domestically manufactured for civilian sales prior to 1994.

If you picked up a bunch of Glock 17, 20 or 22 mags in Dec 1999. You can continue own and shoot a high capacity -- or should I say "standard" capacity -- magazine in a Glock. There is no requirement that you have receipts to prove that you bought them prior to Jan 1st 2000. You can replace some or all parts of the magazines in rebuilds or repairs. Markings on magazines have no legal standing as far as proving or disproving legal ownership.

I am not suggesting that anyone break any laws. But, it is possible for an individual to have legally acquired and own 17 and 15 round mags for Glocks. It is NOT possible for anyone to have done so for a VP9.

Why buy full size 9mm's that you can only run 10 rounders in? What, should I buy compacts instead just because they are intended to hold less? THE STUPIDEST COMMENT I'VE READ IN A WHILE.

[dwightlooi]

Why buy full size 9mm's that you can only run 10 rounders in? What, should I buy compacts instead just because they are intended to hold less? THE STUPIDEST COMMENT I'VE READ IN A WHILE.

Because at least compacts are... well... compact. If I want a full size pistol for the sight radius, I'll get a single stack gun like the SIG 220 or a 1911 or maybe a hybrid Glock 30SF with a long slide and barrel from the Glock 21. The double stack magazine is an ergonomic negative. It makes the grips fat and more importantly it makes the grips squarish. The ONLY reason I'll put up with a fat grip is because that fat grip holds 15 or 17 rounds of ammo. The CA state legislature makes that illegal, so double stack, full frame guns are no longer attractive to me. Unless of course... to the best of my recollection... I bought a bunch of full capacity magazines in 1999 for it. That is impossible in VP9.

[Caseless]

Not enough track record to say the VP9 is as reliable as a time proven G17 yet.

Add magazines to total cost. I paid $520+ for 12 USP40 mags years ago. Roughly double the cost of Glock/XD mag. How much are VP9 mags?

[sandmanx408]

Easy enough to say when you re sitting in NV and dont have all these stupid CA laws coming up really soon.. we need to make decisions and in a hurry. I just put a deposit down on one and I wasnt even in the market for one. I love my G19 and G17 (they re super ergonomic.. been to glockworxs..stippled,reduced,undercut...etc and will probably remain my GTG guns for a while... they fit my hands perfectly and I can shoot them way better anyother gun I ve ever owned or shot) but it was just exciting to get something new I guess.. I m excited for my VP9

and theres no knock on you for that, i would be excited for a new gun purchase too, Im not gonna lie when i was in the gun shop today, i asked the clerk (who is pretty friendly and seems to be on the up in knowledge, well he hasnt Bs'd me yet) finally got a VP9 for rent, and i took the plunge and it is a really GOOD firearm, if you dont have a polymer striker firearm i would have no problem recommending you to get one, but you say you have a G 17 and G19, I dont see the use of a another poly gun as you have a Full size and a compact for carry i Assume, thats just me, if you want to go get a VP9 fine, i just dont agree that its superior and i dont agree its a a Glock Killer,

Now in other news, I i held a P227 from sig, which I am def gonna put some money away for one of those

OP im not gonna lie if i didnt have a Full size striker fired pistol I would really consider getting one. and if you do get one thats good also, cause there needs to be more fo these "UNSAFE" guns back home iM just saying......keep in mind these are just MY opinions, you may have a different thought process when to comes to you purchasing Firearms.

[1CavScout]

Not enough track record to say the VP9 is as reliable as a time proven G17 yet.

Add magazines to total cost. I paid $520+ for 12 USP40 mags years ago. Roughly double the cost of Glock/XD mag. How much are VP9 mags?

I have seen them in stock online for 49 bucks. One of the reasons I bought the LE model was it came with an extra mag and night sights. I paid less than 100 bucks more for the LE model, but got more value with the added mag and sights. As far as reliability, my current HK's have all been extremely reliable. I also own 3 G-17's, so I am also a fan of Glock as well. Hopefully the VP9 will prove itself over time to be at least as reliable as the Glock.