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  • GardoneVT
    Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 434

    Why SSE?

    Perhaps Im missing an ingredient ,but why go through the hoops to own something which is functionally similar to an easier-to-get, on-roster model?

    PS: I realize the roster is statist filth unworthy of being called a law. That being said, im not referring to that obvious fact-simply why it is someone would spend 25% more over retail to get a specific gun not on the list when one can get a functionally similar option. Especially given that an off-roster pistol might be nearly impossible to replace if its taken by police after a self-defense use or Restraining Order, or needs to be serviced by the factory after January 2015.

    Example, why toil over getting an HK45 when a USP .45 does the same job.Ditto Glock Gen 4 va Gen 3, and so on and so forth.

    Im not trying to start a big flame war over the issue,just curious.
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    12voltguy
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 4003

    Originally posted by GardoneVT
    Perhaps Im missing an ingredient ,but why go through the hoops to own something which is functionally similar to an easier-to-get, on-roster model?

    PS: I realize the roster is statist filth unworthy of being called a law. That being said, im not referring to that obvious fact-simply why it is someone would spend 25% more over retail to get a specific gun not on the list when one can get a functionally similar option. Especially given that an off-roster pistol might be nearly impossible to replace if its taken by police after a self-defense use or Restraining Order, or needs to be serviced by the factory after January 2015.

    Example, why toil over getting an HK45 when a USP .45 does the same job.Ditto Glock Gen 4 va Gen 3, and so on and so forth.

    Im not trying to start a big flame war over the issue,just curious.
    lots of off roster are nothing like on roster

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    • #3
      beanz2
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Nov 2008
      • 12032

      Gun owners are very picky, myself included. A pistol in nickel appeals differently than, say, the same exact one in blue.
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      • #4
        Oceanbob
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jun 2010
        • 12720

        Because we can.
        May the Bridges I burn light the way.

        Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain.

        Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).

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        • #5
          beanz2
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2008
          • 12032

          Originally posted by Oceanbob
          Because we can.
          And, in 46 days, won't be able to.
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          • #6
            dyson
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 4342

            The price difference between a Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock is about $50, but you get an extra mag and backstraps, and some other better features the Gen 3 doesnt have. Not exactly a bewildering purchasing choice. My question is why are you shopping at a place that charges so much more for SSE?

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            • #7
              saudadeii
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 3437

              It's OK, you don't have to "get it".
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              • #8
                stitch_paradox
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2010
                • 1613

                Why not SSE?

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                • #9
                  Wasn'tMe
                  Member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 168

                  Originally posted by GardoneVT
                  Perhaps Im missing an ingredient ,but why go through the hoops to own something which is functionally similar to an easier-to-get, on-roster model?...
                  I guess that depends on your definition of "functionally similar".

                  If your definition of "functionally similar" is that "they shoot bullets", then your comment actually makes a lot of sense.

                  Originally posted by Oceanbob
                  Because we can.
                  And because "they" don't want us to

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                  • #10
                    JeffreyAK
                    Member
                    • Aug 2014
                    • 105

                    Lots of off-roster pistols have no equivalent on the roster.

                    And even with the HK/USP comparison you mention, they aren't the same - the HK feels better in my hand, has the Picatinny rail, and was developed as a USP upgrade and JCP candidate. If I'm going to spend near a grand on a handgun, I'm going to buy what I want.

                    Then there's the, you can't have it so I want it factor. For every gun law the morons in Sacramento pass, there is a way to at least partly dodge it, and there is satisfaction in doing so. Who are those morons to tell me what guns I can buy? Is there an automobile roster? A blender roster?

                    Finally I think the best way to overturn the roster, at least the worst parts of it, is to not buy any guns on the roster. Meaning PPT, C&R, and until January, SSE handgun purchases. That brings more of the resources of the manufacturers into the battle (they are de-facto banned from selling guns in CA), and makes a more-attractive legal case for the roster being a de-facto ban.
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                    • #11
                      LBDamned
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 19040

                      OP has been Kalifornized... the exact line of thought the legislators want their minions to have...

                      There are boatloads of pistols that have functional purpose - that can't be obtained "on roster"... far too many to mention - but the one I carry often is P938... I'm not going to list all the weapons that are worth having (that require SSE) - but the fact that CA wants to limit choices (on anything) is absurd and no "reason" to "have" should be required.

                      ETA: Heck - while we're on the subject of "reason" and "need"... why the hell does CA have full time legislation when so many states are fiscally stronger with part time legislation?... If anything in CA should be questioned, controlled, limited, stifled, regulated, and otherwise minimized - it should be these freeloading no-nothing buffoons that live off the tax-payers by telling us how to live our lives.
                      Last edited by LBDamned; 11-15-2014, 5:00 PM.
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                      • #12
                        1bulletBarney
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                        • Oct 2013
                        • 1906

                        I have been wanting full frame 9mm to add to my growing collection. Awhile back a friend of mine was researching a Beretta PX Storm in 9mm. I suggested he look at a 92FS. Well, he ended up getting the PX Storm in 40 S&W (nice gun). The local LGS ran a sale on the Beretta PX Storm in 45 ACP before it dropped off the roster. Beretta never renewed the Storm in 45 ACP and it fell off the roster.

                        I Just jailed a Beretta M9. I counted a total of 44 various Beretta's currently on the roster. Between Dec 1 and Dec 31 a total of 28 Beretta's will drop from roster unless Beretta renew's affected guns.

                        I dont know what Beretta will do here. With SSE gone Jan 1 2015, quality pistols such as the 92FS and the 92 FS M9A1 will be gone unless one can purchase PPT.

                        The last Beretta will drop on 9-18-2015...
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                        • #13
                          bsg
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 25954

                          one size does not fit all. different variants of the same model handgun may or may not have much in common, but their differences may be a dealmaker or dealbreaker to the end user.

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                          • #14
                            beanz2
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 12032

                            Originally posted by JeffreyAK
                            . Who are those morons to tell me what guns I can buy? Is there an automobile roster?
                            Alfa Romeo 4C

                            Audi RS 6 Avant

                            Volkswagen Scirocco

                            Toyota 70 Series Landcruiser

                            etc.
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                            • #15
                              jims1001
                              Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 147

                              Originally posted by GardoneVT
                              Perhaps Im missing an ingredient ,but why go through the hoops to own something which is functionally similar to an easier-to-get, on-roster model?

                              PS: I realize the roster is statist filth unworthy of being called a law. That being said, im not referring to that obvious fact-simply why it is someone would spend 25% more over retail to get a specific gun not on the list when one can get a functionally similar option. Especially given that an off-roster pistol might be nearly impossible to replace if its taken by police after a self-defense use or Restraining Order, or needs to be serviced by the factory after January 2015.

                              Example, why toil over getting an HK45 when a USP .45 does the same job.Ditto Glock Gen 4 va Gen 3, and so on and so forth.

                              Im not trying to start a big flame war over the issue,just curious.
                              You will have the same service issue once USP 45 falls off roster. The exactly same pistol must be returned back to the owner when the court issues the release order.
                              In additions, all the handguns are supposed to do the same job. When you pull the trigger, it goes bang. Get whatever you like.
                              Don't blame people SSEing off roster guns. We should blame the stupid the roster system.
                              Glock 22 Gen 3, Springfield TRP, Sig P226 MK25 w/SRT CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical 40 S&W,HK P30L 40 S&W, Para Black Ops, Sig P226 Elite, S&W MP PRO

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