Using a modified g19 (salient/ zev) for concealed carry

[Paperchasin]

Also, before making a comment like "the sheriff checks trigger pull weight" you should really find out if that is true, or ask what county a poster is in. Fact check yourself people !!!

your ccw gun will need to be inspected by the issuing Sherriff dept and I believe they will test the trigger pull.

Was my comment not clear enough?? It isn't my responsibility to research every County in CA to find an answer for the OP. All OP needs to understand is that trigger pull weight can be factor in obtaining a CCW and that is all I was trying to say.

[Trout_fear_me]

But there is at least a very significant chance you will wind up in civil court, being sued by the person you shot, or his family. Remember, when you're being sued for $5M that lawyer wants his half, and he has made it his profession to get it. I don't want to roll the dice that I would be able to outfox him in front of a jury regarding a "specially modified gun designed to require less effort to kill my client's brother", or a "highly modified trigger system, which caused the defendant's shaky hands to shoot my client through the lung and spine, permanently degrading his quality of life."

Winner winner chicken dinner. That is exactly how it would go down and the jury would want to compensate the bad guy's family because obviously you're a blood thirsty, rabid gun nut that was just looking for a chance to shoot someone.

[SoCalEnthusiast]

I'd recommend carrying a G30. You get the girth in the caliber and the concealability in one small compact package. Anyone I've known who has CCW'd a G30 out of the box has been a happy and confident individual. True Story!

[bigcalidave]

Was my comment not clear enough?? It isn't my responsibility to research every County in CA to find an answer for the OP. All OP needs to understand is that trigger pull weight can be factor in obtaining a CCW and that is all I was trying to say.

But in general, you are wrong. You didn't say your sheriff MAY need to inspect the trigger pull, you said WILL. Most don't.

[cjc16]

pick more buggers. It'll strengthen your finger.

[-hanko]

But there is at least a very significant chance you will wind up in civil court, being sued by the person you shot, or his family. Remember, when you're being sued for $5M that lawyer wants his half, and he has made it his profession to get it. I don't want to roll the dice that I would be able to outfox him in front of a jury regarding a "specially modified gun designed to require less effort to kill my client's brother", or a "highly modified trigger system, which caused the defendant's shaky hands to shoot my client through the lung and spine, permanently degrading his quality of life."

Since there have been self-defense shootings now and then, perhaps you'd like to cite a case, given that there's "a very significant chance".

I've read in a few places that any trigger work becomes a legal problem if you ever use a gun to defend yourself.

The "few places" cannot cite a case, either. At least, what I've ever seen.

Everyone keeps repeating the line about a civil suit having more teeth or extra charges, but nobody can ever come up with an example. If you can't prove it, don't say it.

Internet urban legend??

Winner winner chicken dinner. That is exactly how it would go down and the jury would want to compensate the bad guy's family because obviously you're a blood thirsty, rabid gun nut that was just looking for a chance to shoot someone.

Why don't you cite a case, too?

[k1dude]

Often, civil cases are sealed. I suspect they will be hard to find if they do exist.

[steadyrock]

Since there have been self-defense shootings now and then, perhaps you'd like to cite a case, given that there's "a very significant chance".



The "few places" cannot cite a case, either. At least, what I've ever seen.



Internet urban legend??



Why don't you cite a case, too?

QBG was sued personally in civil court by the man he shot, who is now in prison but claimed a degraded quality of life because he lost partial use of his arm. But by all means, continue to be a brat and if you want to roll the dice on a civil attorney owning all your assets, be my guest.

[NiteQwill]

QBG was sued personally in civil court by the man he shot, who is now in prison but claimed a degraded quality of life because he lost partial use of his arm. But by all means, continue to be a brat and if you want to roll the dice on a civil attorney owning all your assets, be my guest.

And he lost. And the topic of firearm used, modifications, etc never came up in the case.

Civil cases are a dime a dozen in many cases where injury or death results from a firearm, both in defensive and negligent ways. But the issue of firearm modification has no history of judicial precedent. It's an Internet (ayoob) myth.

We should continue to have a civil conversation, and not one that contains subtle, ad hom attacks.

[-hanko]

QBG was sued personally in civil court by the man he shot, who is now in prison but claimed a degraded quality of life because he lost partial use of his arm. But by all means, continue to be a brat and if you want to roll the dice on a civil attorney owning all your assets, be my guest.

In context, we were discussing civil cases where the modification of a weapon tipped the jury or judge to find in favor of the defendant.

In context, you're incorrect.

Obviously, anyone can be sued civilly for ANYTHING...starting with spilled coffee that was too hot, and going on from there.

So, got a case??

OT, I'm ignoring the "brat" thing...I understand school starts in a few weeks and, having had kids, I do understand we all get pissy and antsy toward the end of summer. Maybe Dad or Mom can take you to the park later on.

Enjoy your Sunday.

[steadyrock]

And he lost. And the topic of firearm used, modifications, etc never came up in the case.

Civil cases are a dime a dozen in many cases where injury or death results from a firearm, both in defensive and negligent ways. But the issue of firearm modification has no history of judicial precedent. It's an Internet (ayoob) myth.

We should continue to have a civil conversation, and not one that contains subtle, ad hom attacks.

He didn't lose, the gun mods never came up in trial because the suit never made it that far. The felon settled for 5 grand and a case of lube. (OK, no lube)

[teg33]

No I wouldn't use it. Usually after SD situation, Law Enforcement will took the gun away and run who knows some test on it. The gun won't be the same when you got it back.

[steadyrock]

In context, we were discussing civil cases where the modification of a weapon tipped the jury or judge to find in favor of the defendant.

In context, you're incorrect.

Obviously, anyone can be sued civilly for ANYTHING...starting with spilled coffee that was too hot, and going on from there.

So, got a case??

OT, I'm ignoring the "brat" thing...I understand school starts in a few weeks and, having had kids, I do understand we all get pissy and antsy toward the end of summer. Maybe Dad or Mom can take you to the park later on.

Enjoy your Sunday.

Read up, son: there is a significant difference between someone saying this "has" happened, and someone saying this "could" happen. I landed on could and that's where I remain. You can carry whatever you want, I promise you I will never care. But start telling me I am incorrect and you just make yourself look like a fool with a reading comprehension problem. You also know that there is no precedent for gun mods being argued and dismissed as immaterial, so at best it could go either way. Hence, "could". I'm not willing to take that chance, and that was my advice to the op. Your contribution to the discussion seems to be merely rolling your eyes and acting pedantic.

I'm going outside, indeed. It going to be a nice day at the beach with my kids, and that's a far better use of my time than wasting any more of it on you.

[l8apex]

Lots of FUD in this thread. If it's a good shoot, it's a good shoot. If there is doubt, then other misc. items i.e. Trigger, may come into question. You should be focusing on software rather than hardware.

[chronixskm]

I wouldn't use a modified Salient G19 for carry; but not for legal reasons.

From what I understand I don't think you could trust your life on one.

From what you have read on the internet and not from what you know right?