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  • #61
    ruchik
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 1189

    BEFORE you go spending any money on a 1911, there are some things you must consider. First, read this article by noted gunsmith and marksman, Hilton Yam.

    Choosing a 1911 for duty use

    "But wait!" you might say. "This is for fun only!" Well, if you ever intend on using it for HD or SD, hold up. I am assuming you have never owned a 1911 before, there are some things you need to know about. Re-read the article I linked for more info.

    A 1911 is NOT, I repeat, NOT, a Glock. I am sorry to say that a $1500 1911 will not necessarily be reliable. It will probably be picky about what it eats, and will probably hate getting itself dirty. 1911's are also notorious for being picky about what kinds of magazines it likes. It must be treated like a Ferrari. You gotta fill it with premium, do regular maintenance, and also do at least some measure of gunsmithing on your part. You can't treat it like how you'd treat a lawnmower. You see, a 1911 is not a brand or model of gun, it is a type of gun, like a coupe or SUV. There really is no industry standard when it comes to making these things; as such, 1911's from different manufacturers are made slightly differently. This means that any aftermarket part you want, apart from the grips (and I really do mean ALL of them), must be fitted to each individual gun. On top of that, once the part is fitted, it can't be placed into another gun. The only exception to this rule I can think of is if you bought an aftermarket part made specifically for that 1911 by the manufacturer, i.e. a grip safety made by Kimber for a Kimber. To put all this into perspective, I've got a Nighthawk Custom T3 that was converted over to 9mm by the Springfield Armory Custom Shop. About $4500 went into that gun, and it STILL throws hissy fits with fully loaded Metalform magazines. In addition, the original slide and barrel assembly cannot be reused on ANY other 1911. Which reminds me, I need to go get some different brand mags.

    The upshot to all of this is that the gun, when running correctly, really has no rival. It's fast. It's trigger is perfection. It's got the heft and natural grip angle to allow you yo drive it like a bat out of hell. It's accurate. It can be customized to your wildest fantasy. Literally anything is possible, it's just a matter of how much cabbage you have in your pockets. Want a competition gun? Send it out for a trigger job, add some porting, tune the recoil spring, add a magwell, , maybe even a micro optic like a Trijicon RMR, sorted. How about home defense? Night sights and maybe a weapon light. Concealed carry? How about a melt job, 4lb trigger, and some slim grips? Classic look, no problem; GI hammer and safety, old school grips. Or maybe a modern, tactical sidearm? G10 grips, beavertail safety, night sights, weapon light, and a Hard Hat finish by Severn Customs. But whatever you do, do NOT believe what a gun store employee tells you about a 1911, he's just trying to make a sale. He'll make a 1911's particularities sound not so bad, when in actuality they're very real concerns. Do any sort of research into the subject, and you'll see that 1911's are also notoriously finicky with certain types of ammo, and especially magazines.

    Now. You want a 1911 that is badass. If you're willing to wait a couple of years, want a one-off piece, that absolutely no one else has, you get on the waiting list over at Heirloom Precision. Bill Wilson, Les Baer, Nighthawk Custom, I fart in their general direction. Those guns are a mere $3000. We're talking $5000-$7000 here with Heirloom Precision. These guns, like any other high-end 1911's, are individually fitted and tuned by master gunsmiths. This means that two guns that use the exact same parts, assembled and tuned by the exact same gunsmith, are still subtly different and have their own personalities. Below is an example of their work.





    Pay particular attention to how closely the grip safeties are fitted; it's hard to tell they're not part of the frame. Also note that the grip screws are perfectly aligned, which can only be done through properly aligning the bushings themselves in the frame. That is the kind of handiwork, perfection, and attention to detail you can expect from such master artisans. They have the knowledge and experience to make even a traditionally finicky platform run like a top. Through some combination of experience, knowledge, and black magics, they can make the inverse relationship of accuracy vs. reliability become an equal relationship. They specialize in building guns that shouldn't work as well as they do.

    THAT is badass. These guys are so good at their work that the wait time on their builds are measured in years, even with high four-figure price tags. A production Kimber (or any other production 1911, for that matter) are cool. Maybe, just maybe, depending on the model, they could be awesome. But stirring your man parts? Drool-worthy? Makes you want to lick it, love it, fondle it, like Kate Upton in front of you in nothing but high heels and stockings? Accept no substitute. Go balls to the wall custom.
    Last edited by ruchik; 02-13-2014, 6:37 AM.

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    • #62
      Cool Custard
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2013
      • 3292

      Oh yea , I forgot about the colt rail gun! Get that!
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      • #63
        Mayor McRifle
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2013
        • 7653

        If you buy a SIG stainless rail 1911 before April 30th, you can get a free SIG 1911-22 with it. Getting a free gun is always "badass."
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        • #64
          nahpungnome
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2013
          • 2159

          I like my Sig Stainless Rail. I already knew the purists would say that it isn't a real 1911. I don't disagree or agree, all I know is I enjoy shooting it I figured since I'm going with a non-traditional 1911 looking gun anyway, might as well add the rail. The slide profile with the rail on the Sig looks great to me.

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          • #65
            OUTLAWZ
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 833

            Originally posted by sandmanx408
            this bad im at work looking up 1911s, i think now a semi custom is the way to go

            Does anyone have a trp operator? and how does it feel/operate

            and yes buy once cry once, yes its an old design, but the history of this gun is something that i also like about the gun, its battle tested my uncle served in the marines and now wont shut up about the gun cause i told him i want one, just makes me want one more now.

            yes the new tech is new tech


            I catch myself doing that all the time at work, Your not alone. I have a TRP Operator Half Rail (PC9105LP) and chose this over the full rail (Too muzzle heavy) and no rail to have the option for flashlight/laser. I'm sure others will frown upon having a rail on a 1911 but I've always been the "To have and not need then need and not have" type of person. If you look at it as a collectible, the half rail is much harder come by the other said operator versions. You can start with this and add new members (Wilson Combat, Ed Brown, Nighthawk Custom, Les Baer, Dan Wesson, STI, Colt, Kimber, Sig Sauer, Etc.) to your 1911 stable when resources are available.

            Pros

            -100% Reliable so far, 300 Rounds with "Zero" problems with stock FLGR and stock magazines..
            -Match grade bull barrel, Forged steel frame/slide.
            -Excellent slide to frame fit for not being a custom gun.
            -Great accuracy (Makes me look like a better shot then I am)
            -Crisp trigger that breaks cleanly around 4-4.5lbs
            -Came with G10 grips (I replaced them with VZ 320 Slim Carbon Fiber Magwell Thumb Notch).
            -Comes with Trijcon low profile adjustable night sights (Bomar styled).
            -20 LPI front strap checkering (300 Rounds with no gloves on, I find tolerable but some will swear it hurts their delicate hands). Look for Long Beach PD Operator version (PX9105LLP) if you do not want any front strap checkering. LBPD version is built like MC Operator and does not have bull barrel and slide is not marked TRP.
            -Weight - 42OZ helps absorb recoil so it's a very soft shooting .45
            -Magwell
            -Comes with hard case from the factory with 2 mags, holster, and mag holster

            Cons:
            -Needs tool (Paper clip) for field stripping. You can swap out FLGR for Dawson Precision Tool-less guide rod or 10-8 Plug, GI rod, WC Flat spring kit. I would suggest picking up new recoil spring if going DPTLGR instead of using stock spring in case you want to return to original configuration for warranty purposes.
            -Adjustable rear sight/Bomar cut (Not a con for me, but it is for many)
            -Cost (Not as expensive as custom 1911 but more than most production guns)
            -Availability: Limited and only available to LEO, PPT or SSE to acquire.

            I hope this helps, Goodluck with your quest!

            Leon

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            • #66
              Epaphroditus
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2013
              • 4888

              Well, if you are going to get 1911 then forget that custom or semi-customs BS ... buy 2 or 3 used (I got a Norinco for $200) and wield two 1911 - that is badass. You gotta admit if one is badass two is more assery and more badder.

              Put the light on your chest like IronMan for extra bad *** points bonus. That whole iron suit thingy might be worth some bonus points, too ... at least it helps with that Lego issue.
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              • #67
                Lead Waster
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Sep 2010
                • 16650

                Ok OP is excited. That's cool.

                For 1500, you are close to a Springfield TRP, which would be my choice in that price range.

                Night sights and weapon lights are not redundant!

                You need he light to see what you are shooting at. You need the night sights to see the sights. Weapon light is a lot more useful IMHO.
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                • #68
                  Matt P
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 3071

                  Originally posted by fennecfrank
                  to OP, you've got to check out this thread by Brian, 1911 buying guide. His collection can be displayed in a museum: http://www.1911addicts.com/showthrea...u-1911-addicts
                  Impressive amount of work to create that thread. Wow.
                  Hours to type all that info and bring it all together. Excellent share on the link. And I thought I had one or two 1911s....
                  My WTB of Anything Glock 1-2 Generation, Tupperware, Manuals or Parts. Press Me

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                  • #69
                    neomedic
                    Veteran Member
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3275

                    Just wondering which 1911 make do not use MIM parts?

                    I have heard Dan Wesson does not. How about Ed Brown and Les Bare? Others?

                    Thanks.

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                    • #70
                      ojisan
                      Agent 86
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 11745

                      Originally posted by cabinetguy
                      Get one in 9mm, its a far better round than a .45
                      LOL


                      Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                      I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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                      • #71
                        Spyduh
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2008
                        • 870

                        One word.

                        COONAN
                        Don't you know the rule?? Never open the safe in front of the wife!!!

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                        • #72
                          five.five-six
                          CGN Contributor
                          • May 2006
                          • 34690

                          Originally posted by sandmanx408
                          I want a BADASS!!! 1911
                          Well, there is only 1 option for you.

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                          • #73
                            Fishslayer
                            In Memoriam
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 13035

                            HEY NOW! THIS is "BADASS!" it has "Tactical" AND "Operator" on it. Just in case anybody still has any doubts as to your BADASSERY get that bad boy converted to .460 Rowland. That would be "BADASS Magnum style!

                            "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog.
                            You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart.
                            You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion."


                            Originally Posted by JackRydden224
                            I hope Ruger pays the extortion fees for the SR1911. I mean the gun is just as good if not better than a Les Baer.
                            Originally posted by redcliff
                            A Colt collector shooting Rugers is like Hugh Grant cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker.

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                            • #74
                              five.five-six
                              CGN Contributor
                              • May 2006
                              • 34690

                              These look a lot bassasser IRL

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                              • #75
                                InGrAM
                                Veteran Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 3699

                                Originally posted by five.five-six
                                I was flipping around some more of those light switch things on the walls in my house, turns out some of them make the backyard not dark too.


                                Hearing noises in my backyard, I don't know how sharp is an idea it would be to go ninja around the light strapped to a handgun looking for what was making those noises.

                                I'd probably just use a bunch of those light switch things to make it not dark back there and if I saw something I didn't like call the police make them earn their pay . But I could be way off

                                Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I437 using Tapatalk
                                I wasn't going to post but you just keep going on about "light switches"

                                You do realize that power does go out, **** happens and when your "light switch things" don't work and you have no flashlight you are ****ed.

                                So YES! You are way off.

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