Springfield 10-8 Operator

[Uglyd]

I had one slip through my clutches on m4carbine, when the guy found out I lived in CA he pulled the plug. I was very happy to find a seller not intimidated by the dreaded CA DOJ. They don't pop up too often. I'm sure a lot of my other 1911's are much "nicer" but it is a pretty good score. And to those doubting the value of them, I don't get it. TRP's sell for a similar price all day long with much less hand-fitting and zero time on the SACS bench. I think they're a great value for what you get.

[Uglyd]

Congratulations the 10-8's are nice.
I have one from Hilton's LW operator run and his nighthawk edition

Very nice sir

[piedrarc]

They look nice, but that's a lot of money for "hand matched" (not fitted) parts.

Then again, I never did understand the 10-8 appeal. Either way glad you are getting what you want!

The parts are hand fit by the SACS gunsmiths.

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=374025

Some of my terminology is wrong as to the MIM parts, but you'll get the idea.

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From Hilton Yam on the specifics of the 10-8 operator:

08-14-2007, 07:56 PM
Hilton Yam
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Gentlemen:
Thanks for the interest and kind words. I just wanted to respond here to directly answer the questions that have arisen.

The rear sights are manganese phosphate finished (Parkerized), and appear as a very dark gray. The lighting and contrast make the sight appear lighter in the photographs. Lamentably, I only shoot guns for a living, not cameras.

The pistols are NOT TRP's nor do they start as TRP's that get dressed up or reworked. They are scratch built pistols made especially for this limited run. The TRP is assembled out on the factory floor, while the 10-8 Operator and Professional are built by the gunsmiths in the Custom Shop. The 10-8 pistols start with NM serial prefix slides and frames that are hand matched for optimum fit. The magazine well on the 10-8 starts as a blank S&A unit that is machine checkered (vs. the standard cast checkering on the retail units), has the lanyard loop shortened and redrilled for a reduced profile, flush fit to the frame and drilled for the MSH pin hole, and then blended to the frame opening. This is the same installation method used on the Professional models, and is quite time consuming and labor intensive. The standard TRP has a 2 piece screw on mag well.

The 10-8 Operator has an upgrade tool steel sear with a 4-4.5 lb pull weight specified on the trigger job. Like the Professional model, the 10-8 uses an oversized gunsmith fit trigger unit. I inspected each gun from the first run, and their trigger jobs were comparable to those on the Professional models.

All other aspects of this gun reflect the high build quality to be expected from the Springfield Custom Shop. I am very pleased to be able to work with them on this project.
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I don't understand the alignment of the pistol with the Professional model, which far exceeds the amount of fitment found in the 10-8 series pistols. The 10-8 pistols are phenomenal, but no where near on par with the Professional.

[piedrarc]

Springfield 10-8 Operator

I don't understand the alignment of the pistol with the Professional model, which far exceeds the amount of fitment found in the 10-8 series pistols. The 10-8 pistols are phenomenal, but no where near on par with the Professional.

I don't think the fitting far exceeds. I would say they are on par with each other. The Pro gets a Match Barrel and tool steel hammer, black T finish. But not much more (subjective). No way am I knocking the Pro, but the 10-8 is no slacker in the fitting department. Each one is personally inspected by Mr. Yam prior to shipping. These pistols are rare and worth every dime. The Pro are worth every dime as well.

Looking at the fitting of parts, as you can see I took detailed photos. They will be just as good as the Pro. Yes, I understand the Pro gets the oversized fitting of the slide and frame, if that alone is far exceeding, then I'll bow out now respectfully.

I've done a detailed strip next to a Pro and I couldn't spot any thing that jumped out. Other than the Nowlin barrel (no longer avail) and tool steel hammer. The limited runs of the 10-8 pistols are truly great for the money.

The Pro is a great 1911, so are the 10-8 Operators. I'll give the slight nod to the Pro, but not by a landslide in fitting or attention to detail. A plus in my opinion would be the Match Barrel and tool steel hammer of the Pro. That's only cause I'm not a fan of MIM. I just prefer forged parts, both weapons use MIM parts like slide stops, mag release (10-8 is a forged mag release) and Disco. (If I recall correctly)

Having dealt with SACS, the attention to detail in each and every pistol they build will be on par with any Pro. Mistakes happen, but few and far with SACS.

Edited - these are my opinions only.

[Uglyd]

I don't understand the alignment of the pistol with the Professional model, which far exceeds the amount of fitment found in the 10-8 series pistols. The 10-8 pistols are phenomenal, but no where near on par with the Professional.

There's also about a $1k difference in MSRP. I think it's a fair shake at that price point. Plus, those are Hilton's comparisons not mine. According to him, they most closely resemble the hand fitting of a SACS pistol. Again, I have nicer 1911's in the safe but with people asking $2k plus for TRP operators these days I think scoring a 10-8 is a hell of a find. But to each his own

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I don't think the fitting far exceeds. I would say they are on par with each other. The Pro gets a Match Barrel and tool steel hammer, black T finish. But not much more (subjective). No way am I knocking the Pro, but the 10-8 is no slacker in the fitting department. Each one is personally inspected by Mr. Yam prior to shipping. These pistols are rare and worth every dime. The Pro are worth every dime as well.

Looking at the fitting of parts, as you can see I took detailed photos. They will be just as good as the Pro. Yes, I understand the Pro gets the oversized fitting of the slide and frame, if that alone is far exceeding, then I'll bow out now respectfully.

I've done a detailed strip next to a Pro and I couldn't spot any thing that jumped out. Other than the Nowlin barrel (no longer avail) and tool steel hammer. The limited runs of the 10-8 pistols are truly great for the money.

The Pro is a great 1911, so are the 10-8 Operators. I'll give the slight nod to the Pro, but not by a landslide in fitting or attention to detail. A plus in my opinion would be the Match Barrel and tool steel hammer of the Pro. That's only cause I'm not a fan of MIM. I just prefer forged parts, both weapons use MIM parts like slide stops, mag release and Disco. (If I recall correctly)

Having dealt with SACS, the attention to detail in each and every pistol they build will be on par with any Pro. Mistakes happen, but few and far with SACS.

Edited - these are my opinions only.

Professional pistols, Custom Carry pistols, and all Springfield Custom pistols feature oversized frames that are machined to National Match specifications. The slide is hard-fit to the frame, the barrel is hard-fit to the slide, and the bushing is hard-fit to the slide and barrel. The 10-8 pistol lacks hard-fitment of those critical components, which among other things, is what separates the two pistols.

In the case of a Springfield 10-8, Springfield Warren Tactical, or similar limited-run offering, those slides and frames are hand-matched and fit together, not hard-fit. The barrels are drop-in barrels, which are not hard-fit to the slide. I could go on, but the bottom line is, there is in fact a substantial difference between the two.

If you had both pistols in your hand, simply cycling the action would speak volumes about the difference between the two. The lock-up alone is apples and oranges.

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There's also about a $1k difference in MSRP. I think it's a fair shake at that price point. Plus, those are Hilton's comparisons not mine. According to him, they most closely resemble the hand fitting of a SACS pistol. Again, I have nicer 1911's in the safe but with people asking $2k plus for TRP operators these days I think scoring a 10-8 is a hell of a find. But to each his own

The difference in price is related to the degree of hard-fitment in the Professional, which is nothing more than a Custom Carry built to specifications enumerated by the CRG.

Yes, I know the comparison was made by Yam, and this is also the same guy that refers to the Professional as a production pistol. Regardless, I believe he is one of the foremost authorities in the realm in the realm of 1911's. I have several 10-8 components fitted to my Professional.

$2,000 for a TRP Operator? Talk about diminishing returns! Of course, that's unless we're talking about a full rail Operator. At that point, limited availability can easily command that price.

The 10-8 Operators are absolute gems, and I'd love to own one, in addition to a Long Beach Operator. I'm partial to 1911's carried by LE.

[piedrarc]

Springfield 10-8 Operator

If you had both pistols in your hand, simply cycling the action would speak volumes about the difference between the two. The lock-up alone is apples and oranges.

Simply not true. I'm only speaking from experience. I own a 10-8 operator, a custom carry and have shot a few Pro's. They are all great but you simply cannot tell the difference by cycling the action. If you were talking about a loaded model, I would agree.

[Uglyd]

The difference in price is related to the degree of hard-fitment in the Professional, which is nothing more than a Custom Carry built to specifications enumerated by the CRG.

Yes, I know the comparison was made by Yam, and this is also the same guy that refers to the Professional as a production pistol. Regardless, I believe he is one of the foremost authorities in the realm in the realm of 1911's. I have several 10-8 components fitted to my Professional.

$2,000 for a TRP Operator? Talk about diminishing returns! Of course, that's unless we're talking about a full rail Operator. At that point, limited availability can easily command that price.

The 10-8 Operators are absolute gems, and I'd love to own one, in addition to a Long Beach Operator. I'm partial to 1911's carried by LE.

There is a LB operator for sale on ARF right now for $1850

[squiddo]

Daaaaaaaamn, that looks very sweet. What all did you have done to her? Looks like a blended magwell, flat trigger, FO front sight, grips, I'm sure I'm missing a bunch . . . Do tell!!

Thanks- SACS did the following-

Installed Dawson Front Sight
Fitted and installed 10-8 Slide Stop, Mag Release and Single Side Safety
Fitted and installed S&A One Piece magwell with the concealment bevel option
Checked under trigger guard
FBI Nub
Finished the whole thing in a nice black satin AK

[squiddo]

Simply not true. I'm only speaking from experience. I own a 10-8 operator, a custom carry and have shot a few Pro's. They are all great but you simply cannot tell the difference by cycling the action. If you were talking about a loaded model, I would agree.

Drooling

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Simply not true. I'm only speaking from experience. I own a 10-8 operator, a custom carry and have shot a few Pro's. They are all great but you simply cannot tell the difference by cycling the action. If you were talking about a loaded model, I would agree.

Guess we can agree to disagree. I have a Professional Light Rail, and have shot, fondled and played with a second run 10-8 Operator, and noticed the difference immediately, especially the lock-up.

[modls7]

Well, for $2k IMO the whole gun better be hard fit. Thats a hefty markup for a 10-8 rollmark.

[Uglyd]

Well, for $2k IMO the whole gun better be hard fit. Thats a hefty markup for a 10-8 rollmark.

I'd love to see a $2k hard fit 1911.