1911 Reliability: Myths vs Facts

[SilverTauron]

In pondering the issue of reliability,I've come to the concept that its pointless insofar as typical gun users are concerned.

Let's take a 1911 vs Glock 21.Both handguns will easily last at minimum 5,000 rounds,and probably beyond.But let's play into the stereotype.5,000 rounds of practice .45 ACP will cost about $4500 at current prices.If one has that kind of cash,an outlay of $1500 for a backup piece is pocket money. Assuming the 1911 breaks first-ive seen Glocks fail too- the owner merely bundles up the piece and sends it back to the factory for repair,during which time the spare gun is carried.Further, let's remember that most civil defense situations are over as soon as the gun is presented to the attacker.

As such,for those of us who commute to work by car instead of airborne drop ,reliability is a moot point.If you can afford to shoot a gun enough to break it,you can afford a backup.

[missiontrails]

I think James Yeager summed it up nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJj90eNIfE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYEd-3iy4QM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lsA4KVPbew

Why is he an idiot? What FUD has he spread except for his personal experience doing what he does. Hell, his video of his trip to Wilson Combat says a lot.

[digdug74]

About the only thing I took away from that article was what I already knew, namely, that most modern 1911s aren't produced correctly and will need some tweaking to be reliable. How exactly is that an endorsement of the platform?....

[jeffrice6]

You cant have accuracy tight and mid reliable it just doesnt work mechanically.

So, you base this on your "accuracy tight" 1911 ~ Or just parroting what you found online???

[CK_32]

Why is he an idiot? What FUD has he spread except for his personal experience doing what he does. Hell, his video of his trip to Wilson Combat says a lot.

Uhhhh let's see his famous life quote "the only handgun that should ever be used in battle should be in 9mm, a glock, and be a 19"


He now shoots and pitches M&Ps.


Another infamous live by James yager style is his 3 part video series of bullpups suck and goes into detail why no one should ever use or choose a Bullpup over another rifle platform today.

About 8 months later he puts out a video going into full detail praise on a Bullpup conversion and I quote "this is the BEST conversion kit for any 10/22 rifle" and goes into detail again of why the Bullpup platform is such a great system and its benefits and why everyone should buy his good buddy's conversion kits.

He is a sell out and full of sh**. I use to admire his fight to have no issue going against the grain to speak his mind. But now I realize its all an act and complete BS just to have confrontation and be a di** head. He doesn't mean anything he says he just likes drama, attention and to fight and argue with people. He can't even keep up with his own "advice" and slogans he's so full of sh**.

If I wanted to build a even bigger case on why I think he's a di** head I'm sure it wouldn't take me much long to watch a few and see a ton more things. But those were the straws that broke the camels back for me and opened my eyes to his BS.

[missiontrails]

Uhhhh let's see his famous life quote "the only handgun that should ever be used in battle should be in 9mm, a glock, and be a 19"


He now shoots and pitches M&Ps.


Another infamous live by James yager style is his 3 part video series of bullpups suck and goes into detail why no one should ever use or choose a Bullpup over another rifle platform today.

About 8 months later he puts out a video going into full detail praise on a Bullpup conversion and I quote "this is the BEST conversion kit for any 10/22 rifle" and goes into detail again of why the Bullpup platform is such a great system and its benefits and why everyone should buy his good buddy's conversion kits.

He is a sell out and full of sh**. I use to admire his fight to have no issue going against the grain to speak his mind. But now I realize its all an act and complete BS just to have confrontation and be a di** head. He doesn't mean anything he says he just likes drama, attention and to fight and argue with people. He can't even keep up with his own "advice" and slogans he's so full of sh**.

If I wanted to build a even bigger case on why I think he's a di** head I'm sure it wouldn't take me much long to watch a few and see a ton more things. But those were the straws that broke the camels back for me and opened my eyes to his BS.

Who cares about the guns he endorses.... Wilson Combat factory manager backed up his points about 1911's.... since that's what we are talking about.

[CK_32]

So, you base this on your "accuracy tight" 1911 ~ Or just parroting what you found online???

I base this off of consistent POI from consistent barrel relation to the sights per each shot which you won't get with a loose barrel/bushing fit, loose barrel to slide fit and bad slide to frame fit. Also based off of my knowledge of barrel harmonics and LR shooting with importance of consistency per shot to equal similar POI cresting a grouping, which relates into what most call "accuracy".


If that's incorrect please feel free to explain what makes a accurate firearm/1911.

[osxgp]

I don't think the Glock or 1911 fans will ever agree.

[Chaparral]

I've been feeding my 1911s all sorts of cheap dirty reloads with semi-wadcutters cast out of wheel weights for ages and with the exception of a Colt Series 80 that needed a little throat polishing, they all run perfectly. I did have a Para 745 and a Springfield milspec that had FTF bit that was because the lube had turned sticky after a few years on storage.

[ap3572001]

I dont doubt it being ever Colt I've ever shot or handled wobbled or rattled like a MF when I checked barrel and lug fit and slide to frame fit.

You are right , its not very tight. Most Colt's are not.

But since I carry a pistol at work and after work most of my life, when I can draw and hit B-27 target at 50 yards , and it works every time with duty ammo , the gun is good enough for me.

When I shoot for fun with my bulls eye target guns at the civilian range on my weekends, I dont care if I have to clear a malfunction now and then.

PS. The ONLY pistol that I have never mulfunction is a Beretta 92 series (M9) . Few times in my life , I had it with me in places that I rather forget.....

[Thanatos2203]

Uhhhh let's see his famous life quote "the only handgun that should ever be used in battle should be in 9mm, a glock, and be a 19"


He now shoots and pitches M&Ps.


Another infamous live by James yager style is his 3 part video series of bullpups suck and goes into detail why no one should ever use or choose a Bullpup over another rifle platform today.

About 8 months later he puts out a video going into full detail praise on a Bullpup conversion and I quote "this is the BEST conversion kit for any 10/22 rifle" and goes into detail again of why the Bullpup platform is such a great system and its benefits and why everyone should buy his good buddy's conversion kits.

He is a sell out and full of sh**. I use to admire his fight to have no issue going against the grain to speak his mind. But now I realize its all an act and complete BS just to have confrontation and be a di** head. He doesn't mean anything he says he just likes drama, attention and to fight and argue with people. He can't even keep up with his own "advice" and slogans he's so full of sh**.

If I wanted to build a even bigger case on why I think he's a di** head I'm sure it wouldn't take me much long to watch a few and see a ton more things. But those were the straws that broke the camels back for me and opened my eyes to his BS.

Instead of just trying to discredit him, why don't you address the arguments he makes in the video directly? I think they are pretty valid despite personal bias.

[Joshua Tree]

If by more modern you mean 1935 instead of 1911 I guess that's true GLocks utilizes a modified version of the short recoil-operated locked breech also designed by JMB and first utilized on the P35 Hi-Power.

True. I hear ya, but I am generically speaking of commonly available .45 ACP pistols. Looking down the muzzle with dummy rounds in the magazine installed, and the slide locked back, the difference between a 1911 and a full-sized yet unnamed import of Austrian origin is quite staggering.

[CK_32]

Who cares about the guns he endorses.... Wilson Combat even backed up his points about 1911's.... since that's what we are talking about.

I do. I don't back follow or support anyone who has lie to sell a product. And I'm not sure who "we" is but I was talking about yager. So comment/opinion still stands he's an idiot.


Wait so you quoted my comment asking me explain and go into why I think yagers an idiot and i go into detail and you follow that up by telling me to stay on track about 1911s? Uh ok lol

I'm going to excuse my self out of this one I believe I got my $.02 in.

[CK_32]

Instead of just trying to discredit him, why don't you address the arguments he makes in the video directly? I think they are pretty valid despite personal bias.

I don't make rant videos. And I have. Again on his word he challenged people to call him out on his forum. I signed up, posted a thread addressing the issues I had with his points. To where I was then banned from both his forum and YouTube channel.....


I know where I stand with certain things and what I believe to be true and false. If people want to lap up his BS that's fine and dandy with me. Doesn't effect me in anyway so why put any more effort into something that effects me. You guys and gals are big enough to make your own decisions on what you want to and dont want to go by.

[jeffrice6]

I base this off of consistent POI from consistent barrel relation to the sights per each shot which you won't get with a loose barrel/bushing fit, loose barrel to slide fit and bad slide to frame fit. Also based off of my knowledge of barrel harmonics and LR shooting with importance of consistency per shot to equal similar POI cresting a grouping, which relates into what most call "accuracy".

So do you even own a 1911?