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  • #31
    9mmepiphany
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2008
    • 8075

    I'm not sure which study you read, but the one's I've been exposed to in classes, in-service training and periodicals have shown that under stress, most folks will go into a version of the Isosceles.

    These studies were conducted in academies with recruits before they received firearms training to avoid contamination or influence.

    I'm not, by any means, saying that the Weaver philosophy doesn't have a place in defensive shooting. It is especially useful when the shooter won't continue to train to maintain/improve their skills, it is also easier to teach
    ...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's Tale

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    • #32
      Ricky-Ray
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2010
      • 3161

      Who cares what stances other people are shooting. Shoot how you are most comfortable and able to get rounds downrange accurately with.
      Ray

      "If you lead your life the right way, the karma will take care of itself. The dreams will come to you." - Randy Paush, Carnegie Mellon University

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      • #33
        9mmepiphany
        Calguns Addict
        • Jul 2008
        • 8075

        It doesn't make a difference to most folks, because they'll never reach a level of skill where it starts to make a difference.

        For folks just starting who don't have a preference, why not start with a more optimized path to putting shots quickly and accurately on target.

        For folks trying to improve in that same goal, it is worth the effort, unless you have a physical limitation, to change over and also to use a thumb forwards grip
        ...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's Tale

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        • #34
          penguin0123
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 3089

          Originally posted by 9mmepiphany
          I'm not sure which study you read, but the one's I've been exposed to in classes, in-service training and periodicals have shown that under stress, most folks will go into a version of the Isosceles
          I must have recalled wrong.

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          • #35
            neouser
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1138

            I use my dominant/strong hand.

            I guess I should practice weak hand shooting as well...

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            • #36
              rix
              Member
              • Apr 2006
              • 156

              Proper sight alignment/sight picture,trigger press and proper grip. Stance means nothing.
              WOOHAA!!! It's ON!!

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              • #37
                Jet Setter
                Calguns Addict
                • Aug 2012
                • 5348

                Originally posted by BoJackUSMC
                Use whatever stance works for you...
                I use modified isosceles stand.
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                • #38
                  teflondog
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 4011

                  For slow target shooting, I prefer a modified Weaver stance since I'm more accurate with it and I don't get tired as fast.

                  For fast point shooting, I prefer Isosceles. I acquire the front sight faster with an Isosceles stance but my shoulders get tired if I hold the stance for too long.
                  Originally posted by G. Michael Hopf
                  Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

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                  • #39
                    9mmepiphany
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 8075

                    Originally posted by teflondog
                    I acquire the front sight faster with an Isosceles stance but my shoulders get tired if I hold the stance for too long.
                    I'll bet you're rolling your shoulders forward/up and lowering your head.

                    Try shooting with your shoulders more relaxed and your head more upright, like this:

                    ...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's Tale

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                    • #40
                      DRAB_81
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 2482

                      Originally posted by teflondog
                      For slow target shooting, I prefer a modified Weaver stance since I'm more accurate with it and I don't get tired as fast.

                      For fast point shooting, I prefer Isosceles. I acquire the front sight faster with an Isosceles stance but my shoulders get tired if I hold the stance for too long.
                      How long are you standing static in the same position during rapid fire drills? For rapid fire/point shooting, I wouldn't think you'd be firing enough rounds consecutively or stand still long enough to get tired. Atleast that hasn't been something I've experienced so far through classes, USPSA matches & general practice, and I use a modified stance that tips more toward isosceles.

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                      • #41
                        rsmorgan
                        Member
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 370

                        Weaver works better for me for static shooting but I practice and use both since the realities of combat require flexibility of action. In a confrontational situation, the natural reaction is to face the enemy, which is basically the Isosceles stance. Combat reality is you will probably need to shoot from whatever position you are in, which may include such "dignified options" as shooting while falling, etc.
                        RSM

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                        • #42
                          9mmepiphany
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 8075

                          Originally posted by rsmorgan
                          which may include such "dignified options" as shooting while falling, etc.
                          It could be hard to practice this more than once

                          ...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's Tale

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                          • #43
                            teflondog
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 4011

                            Originally posted by 9mmepiphany
                            I'll bet you're rolling your shoulders forward/up and lowering your head.

                            Try shooting with your shoulders more relaxed and your head more upright, like this:

                            I realize I just need more practice. I don't get tired when I make a conscious effort to stay relaxed. It's under time pressure when I tense up.

                            Originally posted by DRAB_81
                            How long are you standing static in the same position during rapid fire drills? For rapid fire/point shooting, I wouldn't think you'd be firing enough rounds consecutively or stand still long enough to get tired. Atleast that hasn't been something I've experienced so far through classes, USPSA matches & general practice, and I use a modified stance that tips more toward isosceles.
                            My problem is that I instinctively flex my traps and shoulders while trying to maintain a firm grip during shooting. I use the push-pull method to control recoil. It's definitely a training issue that I need to work on.
                            Originally posted by G. Michael Hopf
                            Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

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                            • #44
                              9mmepiphany
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 8075

                              I use the push-pull method to control recoil. It's definitely a training issue that I need to work on.
                              If you didn't do that, you'd be able to shoot a lot faster without losing any accuracy. You'd also transition faster between targets and feel less tired afterwards
                              ...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's Tale

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                              • #45
                                CnCFunFactory
                                Senior Member
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 1084

                                Isosceles, unless I'm trying to recreate a scene from the TV show Miami Vice.
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