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  • #46
    Shenaniguns
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2006
    • 6155

    Gen 3:
    Standard connector ~5.5 pounds
    Dot Connector ~5 pounds
    Minus connector ~4.5 pounds

    Gen 4:
    Standard connector ~6 pounds
    Dot Connector ~5.5 pounds
    Minus connector ~5 pounds
    My opinions are my own and do not represent the position of other companies I may be involved with.

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    • #47
      wsmc27
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 1654

      Originally posted by Shenaniguns
      Gen 3:
      Standard connector ~5.5 pounds
      Dot Connector ~5 pounds
      Minus connector ~4.5 pounds

      Gen 4:
      Standard connector ~6 pounds
      Dot Connector ~5.5 pounds
      Minus connector ~5 pounds
      Does the gen3 G34 have the minus connector? Or, is there something else done to change the pull vs a G17?

      Sorry OP, had to ask while someone who knows this stuff was HERE NOW!

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      • #48
        Shenaniguns
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2006
        • 6155

        Originally posted by wsmc27
        Does the gen3 G34 have the minus connector? Or, is there something else done to change the pull vs a G17?

        Sorry OP, had to ask while someone who knows this stuff was HERE NOW!

        Yes, and IIRC the Gen 4 G34 does as well.
        My opinions are my own and do not represent the position of other companies I may be involved with.

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        • #49
          DCF
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 1188

          I just talk to Glock and they either want me to sent the gun in on my dime or have a Glock armorer talk to them to get the parts. Now I like to know is there any Glock armorer in the Sacramento area who can help me out.

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          • #50
            DDRH
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Mar 2008
            • 2756

            Originally posted by DCF
            I am not spending $60 for an extractor that is suppose to work from the get go.

            The one from Midway is out of stock, but I will try to contact Glock during their business hour before I order anything.
            Originally posted by tbc
            It's a hit and miss thing. There is no other formular for this BTF issue. The one that works effectively (not perfectly) on the erratic ejection Glocks is Apex extractor.
            have the same issue with my Gen3 G19. i switched out the "dipped" extractor for Gen2 flushed .40SW extractor. I was lucky to find it at the LGS for ~$25

            it's not a fix but a patch. less BTF, but it still happens. I have the old 336 ejector.

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            • #51
              Rimfire123
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2011
              • 709

              i have a Gen 4 17 and has been flawless and i like it better than my Gen 3 G17.

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              • #52
                missiontrails
                Calguns Addict
                • Nov 2008
                • 7840

                Originally posted by Shenaniguns
                Incorrect, the Gen 4 trigger housing is angled 5-10 degrees differently than the Gen 3's which resulted in about a 1/2 pound heavier trigger. This is the reason that they came up with the "." (Dot) connector which is supposed to bring the trigger pull down that 1/2 pound and is in between the standard connector and minus connector weight wise.
                Gotcha.

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                • #53
                  Lu(ky
                  Member
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 316

                  Well I took out my new Glock 17 Gen 4 FDE and I was worried about the FTF, FTE, and the brass coming back at you in the 5,6, & 7 ejection position.
                  But good news for me no problems yesterday 200+ ammo from Federal 9mm to reloads without any problems above. But I already have the correct ejector and guide rod installed already.

                  I found a couple things for you to look at to help with your problems..
                  1. Ejector info -----> H E R E
                  2. Guide Rod info ----> H E R E
                  3. If Glock does not fix the problem saying your serial number is fine which they have done you can do this and spend and extra $40 to $70 bucks on this new RECOIL GUIDE ROD it also helps with RECOIL-----> H E R E
                  Last edited by Lu(ky; 11-17-2012, 11:27 PM.
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                  • #54
                    sirgiles
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 2311

                    Originally posted by DCF
                    I just talk to Glock and they either want me to sent the gun in on my dime or have a Glock armorer talk to them to get the parts. Now I like to know is there any Glock armorer in the Sacramento area who can help me out.
                    bumping this part with the hope that this is seen by a glock armorer in sacramento area and actually help the op. i'm tired of the "experts" here quoting the manual or trying using this forum to sell a product.
                    "I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations and you're not in this world to live up to mine."

                    Bruce Lee

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                    • #55
                      DCF
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1188

                      I have the new 0-4-3 guide rod but an old 336 ejector and a dipped extractor. I already PM'ed a Glock armorer in Sacramento and gave him all the info about the gun. Hopefully he can work with Glock to send him some parts.

                      I am just disappointed at Glock's customer service policy. Their policy of making the customer pay for shipping back to the facility and not sending parts to non factory certified armorer are a PITA to me. May be I have high expectation but I expect a 100% functioning gun and if the problem is well known and well documented, then any decent company would fix it at no additional cost to the customer.

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                      • #56
                        Lu(ky
                        Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 316

                        Originally posted by FUBAR
                        Check your ejector not your extractor. If your ejector has 336 stamped on it, then you have the older ejector. The new ejector has 30274 stamped on it. This new ejector has rectified most of the BTF. Also while your at it, check to see if you have the newer recoil spring with 4-3-0. If you don't, contact Glock at 1-877-745-8523 and they will get you the current recoil spring.
                        Originally posted by DCF
                        I have the new 0-4-3 guide rod but an old 336 ejector and a dipped extractor. I already PM'ed a Glock armorer in Sacramento and gave him all the info about the gun. Hopefully he can work with Glock to send him some parts.

                        I am just disappointed at Glock's customer service policy. Their policy of making the customer pay for shipping back to the facility and not sending parts to non factory certified armorer are a PITA to me. May be I have high expectation but I expect a 100% functioning gun and if the problem is well known and well documented, then any decent company would fix it at no additional cost to the customer.
                        I agree with you 100% I think this should be a GLOCK RECALL on this problem and have them fix the problem before anyone gets hurt.
                        Now just think if a LEO is using this gun and if he or she needs to use it with no eye protection and have a round come back into there eye ball now temporally blinding them in one eye while trying to fight for there life in a gun battle just really pisses me off on there lack of fixing this problem.
                        100% reliable my *** I really think with the above problems on this gun and for them not just send the part to you for you to fix for free is just BS. It sounds like they do not want to get into any law suits if you should install it wrong then they get sued for this as well..

                        Look at POST #53 and follow the steps yourself 1-3 to fix quick. And then try to get the bad taste of GLOCK out of your mouth (probably brass) then enjoy the gun..
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                        • #57
                          DCF
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 1188

                          For number 1, I am waiting to see if I can get my hands on a new 30274 ejector. I already have the updated guide rod for number 2. I am not replacing the guide rod since the recoil is not an issue to me and I rather spend the extra $40 to $70 toward ammo.

                          I am sure Glock will make it a priority to fix the LEO duty guns and they should. To us the civilians it's a different story for Glock. I understand their policy of not sending parts that require detail strip to replace to non factory certified armorer. They do this to cover their rear but still a hassle for me.

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                          • #58
                            Dhena81
                            Veteran Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 4587

                            I bought the APEX extractor earlier this month and I can say my Gen4 17 ejects perfectly again. It started having problems somewhere after 1k. The gun has somewhere around 10k through it now and the LWD extractor didn't do anything for me. To me it wasn't worth $50 bucks to send it to Glock when I could spend $70 something to buy the APEX extractor.

                            I know people that don't care for Glock have more cannon fodder against the design but everything else that makes a Glock favorable to me hasn't changed.

                            I wonder if anyone is ever going to start a class action lawsuit lemon laws or something.

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                            • #59
                              DCF
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 1188

                              Good to hear that your gen 4 Glock 17 runs perfect now. To me it sounds like the problem developed after use so may be the extractor is so soft that it change dimension after use? Did you also change the extractor spring with the APEX extractor? I am just thinking if the problem comes from the extractor, ejector, the extractor spring or a combination of two pieces or all.

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                              • #60
                                socal147
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 1254

                                You would sue a gun manufacturer?

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